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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

khalimadeath wrote:
I had intended on using it for camping mostly. I will however be putting BFG's on it and possibly some lift spindles.
You had me at "lift spindles"...
I'm going to have to monitor this thread as I intend to do the same thing to my '70 bay. Already sitting on 27" General Grabbers...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ITC's are great carbs, and should work fine on a stock motor, but consider Kadrons. They are stupid simple to set up and tune, and once dialed in, they are very stable. Personally I think the best place to get them from is the Kaddie Shack [http://www.shop.kaddieshack.com/]. If you call them, give them the specs of your engine, they'll set them all up for you. You can even order your new heads from them and they'll make sure everything is matched.

Their pricing is competitive, probably even better because of the support they provide.

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wow those are sweet.. priced out the kit I would want.. $769 Smh that got expensive fast LMAO!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ITC's are great carbs, and should work fine on a stock motor, but consider Kadrons. They are stupid simple to set up and tune, and once dialed in, they are very stable. Personally I think the best place to get them from is the Kaddie Shack [http://www.shop.kaddieshack.com/]. If you call them, give them the specs of your engine, they'll set them all up for you. You can even order your new heads from them and they'll make sure everything is matched.

Their pricing is competitive, probably even better because of the support they provide.

Good luck.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might as well just post this in here since we have some good conversation so far. Looking to swap to dual port heads.. how does this kit look? Price seems pretty reasonable. I can always upgrade the carbs later on..

http://www.webercarbsdirect.com/product_p/WK411.htm?gclid=CLzS55bF7b8CFWho7AodnkQAQA
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Donuts?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not seeing any doughnuts in this photo
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Im gonna be getting a new exhaust. The stock one is rusted through.. Ill look into these at that point. Which shouldent be too long from now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donuts?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not seeing any doughnuts in this photo
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Javyd wrote:
Yeah thats a pretty big oil sump add on.

Good thread I'm intrested in teh same thing. The PO of my bus bolted on this rubber mat in the place of the tins.


That doesnt sound safe. I would imagine the rubber may melt.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah thats a pretty big oil sump add on.

Good thread I'm intrested in teh same thing. The PO of my bus bolted on this rubber mat in the place of the tins.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't know how you are intending to use your rig, but if you are going to be going off the pavement much, I would ditch the enlarged sump. To vulnerable to rock damage in my book.


So are you saying the oil sump is not OEM? I had intended on using it for camping mostly. I will however be putting BFG's on it and possibly some lift spindles.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asiab3 wrote:
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Thats what i was thinking! Is that thing gunked up or what?! ha

Ill get some more pics tomorrow, there seems to be more to all these engine tins than I thought. Kinda strange why they would use so many..


Just pretend the tins are like coolant hoses on your watercooled cars. Actually, that's exactly how they work, and that's why I'm happy to help you not "spill your coolant" everywhere. Wink And VW didn't put unnecessary parts on their economy cars...

A pressureized car wash or even a pressure washer with some engine degreaser will work wonders on your underside. It looks like regular neglected VW oil mist plus ten years of sitting in a dusty barn or something. Clean engines are fun engines to work on.


Ha ok now im getting it. I cant wait to get it out of the car. It will certainly be getting a good wash and some engine paint/ powdercoat where applicable.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know how you are intending to use your rig, but if you are going to be going off the pavement much, I would ditch the enlarged sump. To vulnerable to rock damage in my book.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thats what i was thinking! Is that thing gunked up or what?! ha

Ill get some more pics tomorrow, there seems to be more to all these engine tins than I thought. Kinda strange why they would use so many..


Just pretend the tins are like coolant hoses on your watercooled cars. Actually, that's exactly how they work, and that's why I'm happy to help you not "spill your coolant" everywhere. Wink And VW didn't put unnecessary parts on their economy cars...

A pressureized car wash or even a pressure washer with some engine degreaser will work wonders on your underside. It looks like regular neglected VW oil mist plus ten years of sitting in a dusty barn or something. Clean engines are fun engines to work on.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glad to see the sled tins are there. But holy oil sump batman.


Thats what i was thinking! Is that thing gunked up or what?! ha

Ill get some more pics tomorrow, there seems to be more to all these engine tins than I thought. Kinda strange why they would use so many..
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to see the sled tins are there. But holy oil sump batman.
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want sure exactly where or what to take the pictures off so I just kinda stuck my phone under there and got a couple. If there and area in specific you suggest I can get more pics..
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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busdaddy:how about some more pics from above and below?

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khalimadeath:i will get some more pics of underneath and above today..
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many of the tins you can see from the pictures. Things like the fan shroud, upper cylinder tins, and backing plates (4, 5, and 6) are obvious. The thermostat and flaps (14 and 24) are nice to have, but some people run without them. They help the engine get up to operating temp quicker, which is healthy for oil life on short trips and engine life in the long run. Sled tins like 11, 12, and 13 you can easily see from underneath the engine.

One of the most common mistakes new engine builders make is using a bug front (front of engine is front of bus. Technically, you're always looking at the back of the engine from the hatch,) firewall tin instead of a bus tin. We're talking about #7, and technically only came 1971 buses with the exit hole for the doghouse oil cooler. Up to 1970 it was the same shape with no hole. Even then, it looks like a bug firewall with extra metal tacked on. That is a common way of making a bus firewall tin out of a bug tin.

Remember, these cars are about 45 years old, so just because it came from the factory a certain way doesn't mean it's still that way. Check, check, and recheck.


Do you have a doghouse shroud or non-doghouse shroud? We're feeling behind the shroud for parts 1, 2, and 3 here. The red line is where the firewall tin goes:

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Here are the bus firewall tins. See the exit hole for the doghouse oil cooler now? Also, take a look at the arched bead running roughly horizontally through them. That's the shape of a bug tin, the bus tin is larger. Which do you have?

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