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Dapimpbus
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 Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:57 pm Post subject: Help. I need info about this bug. |
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Can anyone tell me how rare and how much is a bug like this one.
I found this at a tow yard and don't know if I should buy it. I already have a 62 bug that I'm working on but I've never seen one like this one.
It doesn't have a fuel guage, it also has a strange steering wheel, column, and turn signal assembly too. No chrome trim and no holes for the trim. I checked and they were not deleted with bondo.
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grandpa pete
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a standard ????
No dash trim
no hood trim
Interesting that there is chrome trim around the drivers window but not the rear or rear quarters
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Its a standard model, Pretty cool and rare. I don't know that much about them. I'm sure others will chime in.
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Rathguten
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Dapimpbus
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What's standard mean. I'm kinda new to vw.
How rare is it?
Is it more rare than my 62?
Rare like an oval or split window? |
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Dapimpbus
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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grandpa pete
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Standard was a cheep bottom of the line car
as People bought and sold them they would add custom touches and chrome or just use them for parts cars.....Therefore not too many are left in original condition
At one point a plain jane 150 sedan 56 chevy brought more money than a total custom Bel Air because of it's uniqueness 
Tell them you want it for parts $500
Do you have the $2500 it will cost to put it on the road??
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Dapimpbus
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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andk5591
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What year is that - like a 65 or 66? As far as paying for it - as little as you can get it for. I dont know the specifics on a standard, but you should buy it and sell me that steering wheel.
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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1965 Standard..  . (no center defrost grille)
Standard means... its not a Deluxe.
Less Chrome.. and "features". Such as the fuel gauge.
If you can get it cheap.. with the correct and proper paperwork...buy it....and flip it..
No correct papers (title etc..) not worth as much..
Medium Rare in the USA.... Well done.. for anywhere else 
Its a Standard.... and the VW crowd in the US... will pay for the "odd" nature of it..
Plus it has that perfect sun baked patina thats all the new rage...
It also seems fairly solid... being Nevada.. I bet its is..
IMO.. you can make any Deluxe look like a standard.. or vice versa..
Parts are parts.. its worth some sale investigation for that alone.
For example... I'd like to have just the Standard column and wheel.. for a project.. but I wont pay out the ass for one..
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61SNRF
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Looks like it started life as a '65 European 1200A or Sparkafer. The demand for them came mostly from Germany and Holland, where I'm sure they are much more common to see.
"Rare" to see one here in the US yes, but not so desirable like an Oval or Split.
More of an oddball in my opinion, unless you are super frugal and like austerity, or just want to be different
Super hard to restore correctly as much of their trim and fittings is unique.
Notice no horn grille on the R/F fender, that's original.
That's a choke knob on the right side of the ashtray, it would have originally had a fresh air 36hp engine with manual choke.
Painted turn signal housings, painted vent wings, painted door handles, window cranks etc. Should have painted headlight rings too.
Notice early license plate light on '65-'66 style decklid, that's OG too.
Given it has over riders on the bumpers, must have had the Ram Protection option ordered.
Center headliner only, no trim on the B or C pillars.
Simplified rubber floor mats.
Steering wheel would cost just as much as a Deluxe to restore, but you wouldn't have to buy a chrome horn ring
How much to pay? Well, it is a solid parts car, original spare tire and jack too 
But, to go all stock/original would likely cost just as much as a Deluxe to restore, so keep the big picture in mind as to what you would ultimately do with it.
Anywhere from $100 to $500 I'd imagine.
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henry roberts
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if you like patina's cars and want to build one, that looks like a very good base.
for a full restoration, if it is as good rust wise as it looks, it's not a bad base.
if you only want to do one car and you already have time and money in your 62, I wouldn't bother. yes the car you found is more unusual but it's also a later model. in the long run, if you do a full restoration, I think the quality and correctness will make more difference in sale price that if it's a 62 deluxe or a 65 standard. |
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Dapimpbus
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Thank you all for the awesome information on this bug. I'm gonna stop by on Tuesday and buy it if it's under $700. I'll clean it up do body work and when I have enough cash and I'm done with my '62 I'll set this one free on the road. I'll keep it in my back yard. I already love the car, even more now that I know it's not too common and thanks to all the info that you all gave me.
VOLKSWAGNUT how do I get the proper paper work for the bug. What am I looking for as far as the paper work. This is a bug at a tow yard, it's been impounded for almost a year so it belongs to them now and al I'll get is some king of bill of sale so I can get the pink slip.
The guy said it's a 64. I'll check the body and pan tags for year and to make sure it's a numbers matching car.
Anything else I should look for as far as rarity.
You guys noticed and brought to my attention a lot of things I didn't even noticed. Great job. |
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Looks like it started life as a '65 European 1200A or Sparkafer. The demand for them came mostly from Germany and Holland, where I'm sure they are much more common to see.
"Rare" to see one here in the US yes, but not so desirable like an Oval or Split.
More of an oddball in my opinion, unless you are super frugal and like austerity, or just want to be different
Super hard to restore correctly as much of their trim and fittings is unique.
Notice no horn grille on the R/F fender, that's original.
That's a choke knob on the right side of the ashtray, it would have originally had a fresh air 36hp engine with manual choke.
Painted turn signal housings, painted vent wings, painted door handles, window cranks etc. Should have painted headlight rings too.
Notice early license plate light on '65-'66 style decklid, that's OG too.
Given it has over riders on the bumpers, must have had the Ram Protection option ordered.
Center headliner only, no trim on the B or C pillars.
Simplified rubber floor mats.
Steering wheel would cost just as much as a Deluxe to restore, but you wouldn't have to buy a chrome horn ring
How much to pay? Well, it is a solid parts car, original spare tire and jack too
But, to go all stock/original would likely cost just as much as a Deluxe to restore, so keep the big picture in mind as to what you would ultimately do with it.
Anywhere from $100 to $500 I'd imagine. |
First 1964 is the last year a Type 111 is called a standard. 65's are called "A" Sedans and 66's are called 1200 "A".
These cars are VERY rare these days.
Things you should check; vin# and engine #
1965 "A" sedans are really the last of line of beetles that can trace their roots to 1938. 65 111's are the last cars to come with a 36 hp, but they are fresh air heater 36hp see the link for my 65 111;
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/516081.jpg
A complete picture of a 36hp fresh air;
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q16/threespoke/standardkafer/literature/LIT265brocengine.jpg
1965 "A" sedans are the last year the old style floor pans were used that have two dimples per mat, eight total welded to the pan for the two per floor mats to snap over. 1965 is the last year to use the claw and wing nut for securing and adjusting the front seats, in other words 65 and earlier do not have seat tracks installed on the pans. 1965 is the last year to use the 28PCI manual choke carburetor.
1966 models (1200"A") have, like the deluxe a center defroster vent. 1966 is the first year of the 40hp engine, but unlike earlier 40hp engines in deluxe models it has cam bearings, and the large stud oil pump. 1966 is the first year a 111 will have a auto choke.
The engine in the picture of the car in question is not a 36hp fresh air.
The car does not appear to have a center dash vent, and to the rt. of the ash tray is the pull for the manual choke.
There is a VERY remote possibility ( vins will tell) it could be VERY early 1966 production, but I doubt it.
I think the cars is a 1965 TYPE 111, with a ( won't be able to tell which year until eng ser # is provided) 40 hp engine. |
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"Standard" is an international term. Most of those cars that made it to the US are actually a "Canadian Custom" if I recall correctly.
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Helfen
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Looks like it started life as a '65 European 1200A or Sparkafer. The demand for them came mostly from Germany and Holland, where I'm sure they are much more common to see.
"Rare" to see one here in the US yes, but not so desirable like an Oval or Split.
More of an oddball in my opinion, unless you are super frugal and like austerity, or just want to be different
Super hard to restore correctly as much of their trim and fittings is unique.
Notice no horn grille on the R/F fender, that's original.
That's a choke knob on the right side of the ashtray, it would have originally had a fresh air 36hp engine with manual choke.
Painted turn signal housings, painted vent wings, painted door handles, window cranks etc. Should have painted headlight rings too.
Notice early license plate light on '65-'66 style decklid, that's OG too.
Given it has over riders on the bumpers, must have had the Ram Protection option ordered.
Center headliner only, no trim on the B or C pillars.
Simplified rubber floor mats.
Steering wheel would cost just as much as a Deluxe to restore, but you wouldn't have to buy a chrome horn ring
How much to pay? Well, it is a solid parts car, original spare tire and jack too
But, to go all stock/original would likely cost just as much as a Deluxe to restore, so keep the big picture in mind as to what you would ultimately do with it.
Anywhere from $100 to $500 I'd imagine. |
First 1964 is the last year a Type 111 is called a standard. 65's are called "A" Sedans and 66's are called 1200 "A".
These cars are VERY rare these days.
Things you should check; vin# and engine #
1965 "A" sedans are really the last of line of beetles that can trace their roots to 1938. 65 111's are the last cars to come with a 36 hp, but they are fresh air heater 36hp see the link for my 65 111;
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/516081.jpg
A complete picture of a 36hp fresh air;
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q16/threespoke/standardkafer/literature/LIT265brocengine.jpg
1965 "A" sedans are the last year the old style floor pans were used that have two dimples per mat, eight total welded to the pan for the two per floor mats to snap over. 1965 is the last year to use the claw and wing nut for securing and adjusting the front seats, in other words 65 and earlier do not have seat tracks installed on the pans. 1965 is the last year to use the 28PCI manual choke carburetor. 1965 cars because of their 36 hp engine use the tunnel type transaxle, but unlike the 1965 deluxe model's 40hp eng using a final drive ratio of 4.375 ring and pinion, the 1965 111 uses a 4.43 ring and pinion in the tunnel type syncro box. The same final drive ring and pinion as 1938 beetle.
1966 models (1200"A") have, like the deluxe a center defroster vent and welded in seat tracks. 1966 is the first year of the 40hp engine, but unlike earlier 40hp engines in deluxe models it has cam bearings, and the large stud oil pump. 1966 is the first year a 111 will have a auto choke.
The engine in the picture of the car in question is not a 36hp fresh air.
The car does not appear to have a center dash vent, and to the rt. of the ash tray is the pull for the manual choke.
There is a VERY remote possibility ( vins will tell) it could be VERY early 1966 production, but I doubt it.
I think the cars is a 1965 TYPE 111, with a ( won't be able to tell which year until eng ser # is provided) 40 hp engine. |
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| "Standard" is an international term. Most of those cars that made it to the US are actually a "Canadian Custom" if I recall correctly. |
You car correct, but the Canadian custom is easily a stand out from the "A" sedans and the 1200"A" european models because of their headlamp glass covers, red only rear tail lamp, a mph speedo, towel rack bumpers (although any German model could be ordered with towel rack's). The 36 hp engine for Canada has a crankcase devise to the air cleaner and last but not least the Canadian 1200 custom ( still designated a Type 111) uses the old 1959 deluxe steering wheel....see the link;
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/269759.jpg |
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| Look at the rear bumper brackets....typical 111 model with towel rack bumpers..Notice there is no center (third bar) reinforcement. |
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| complete with OG continental spare tire! |
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