Everything about CB Performance Black Box

[BFB]

MikeyM73, i get it now. and thanks for understanding what i was meaning to say , you know how things can get misinterpreted.

also, i have several files on finding timing on type 4's and i might have a printable degree " wheel" , ill just have to look on the shop puter tomorrow.
and wouldn't it be just as easy to pull the front fan cover and fan and use an actual degree wheel to find 70 btdc? then set dizzy, reinstall fan and mark 70 degrees on it incase you need it again. 70 degrees doesn't have to be set exact anyhow as you sinc the engine with b.b. timing when you start it the 1st time.

i guess that all depends on if the engine is in the vehicle or not though...
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Build it your way not the way someone else does it. Their way might not work for you." - clonebug
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[BFB]

heres the best photos of type 4 timing marks i have, maybe it'll help some?

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Forced induction can overcome a lot of obsticles that gets in it's way
"You are the Engineer and the Mechanic.  
Build it your way not the way someone else does it. Their way might not work for you." - clonebug
An interesting thing happens in forums where everyone starts parroting the same thing and "common knowledge" takes over.
“ The monkey see monkey do mentality seems to run deep in VW people. "Gene Berg said it was so 30 years ago so thats the way it is" “ - bdkw1

[raygreenwood]

[W1K1]

[raygreenwood]

[Eddie010]

k got the serial to usb cable from CB performance, but for some reason the laptop still can not connect to the Black Box.
What an I doing wrong.
Can I check the Black box only wit a plus (12V) and a minus (earth) outside of the car or do al the cables need to be connected. (Like the coil, distributor)

Thanks in advance
Eddie

[W1K1]

is it a new computer?
i know there were issues with some new computers not connecting.
mine is a 10 year old and other than being slow as molasses it works fine with the black box
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1965 squareback 1500E
1971 bay window westy- subi swap

[BFB]

you should be able to just power the box and be fine, alot of times i disconnect power to the coil so i dont burn it or the points / pick up when i dont need the engine running and tired of breathing C0.
you might try plugging into a different usb port. sometimes mine tries to connect through the wrong port and locks up my laptop, of course its running windows 95 and slow as hell too...
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Forced induction can overcome a lot of obsticles that gets in it's way
"You are the Engineer and the Mechanic.  
Build it your way not the way someone else does it. Their way might not work for you." - clonebug
An interesting thing happens in forums where everyone starts parroting the same thing and "common knowledge" takes over.
“ The monkey see monkey do mentality seems to run deep in VW people. "Gene Berg said it was so 30 years ago so thats the way it is" “ - bdkw1

[Lawlessjr]

[Eddie010]

[Eddie010]

Ok, still don t see the black box on my laptop...
I think it is broke.
Maybe is it possible to send it to someone in europe with black box experience, to see if it works or is broke.

Or someone has a wiring harnas that I can lend. so i can rule out all options.

Eddie

[xzener]

Just gonna throw this out there, for I had an issue a while back... Both black wires are grounded right?
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[Eddie010]

[MikeyM73]

Hey guys,

Thanks for the input, didn't mean to hijack the thread.

Ray, great info. Thanks very much. RichardC and Daos, thanks also. I think the best thing (for me, anyway) would be to remove the fan and work at it on the bench.. easy enough to do. RichardC if you do have a type 4 prinatable degree wheel somewhere, that would be a huge help.

One thing is definite... I won't make a move on this until I fully understand where my true 0 degree is and have a solid method to find it on the fan.

Guys, honestly, do you think the BB is worth it? Not monetarily but drivability, dependability, and performance wise? I ask because I could probably find some lighter weight advance springs for the Pertronix dizzy that better match a 050 dizzy and be good. But I am trying to eek as much response, etc. from this engine so that anyone who knows how to drive a stick, doesn't have to drive around any tuning issues.

Thanks,
Mikey
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'73 Pop-top Westy, found sitting in a field for 10+ years, cleaned up, rebuilt furniture, reloved. Original 1.7 block/fully polished crank, 93mm 1.8L balanced AA pistons & cylinders, new 1.8L balanced rods, HAM 42/36 heads, Scat C25 cam & lubalobe lifters, Dual HPMX40s, R2C filters w/ Outerwears pre-filters, functioning thermostat & flaps, Pertronix Flamethrower III, 4-1 exhaust w/ Cherry Bomb 2" turbo muffler & OEM heater boxes, averages about 19-22ish on the highway.

[Alstrup]

[BFB]

like Alsrtup says, YES!!
ive had my 1st BB on 2 different engines ( in the same buggy ) and spent a multitude of hours tuning on the 1st engine until i was putting 20lbs through a stock , carbureted 1600. then i i got scared and left it at that. later built a 2276 thats running 14lbs. both engines are completely streetable and the wife & i will go on all day sunday drives, idles great, cruises great, and handles boost great.
my 2nd BB i put on my baja running a boosted 2021. i did have a dvda dizzy on it but something wasn't right, so i " replaced" it with a BB and the difference is amazing. when i built the 2021 i advanced the cam and i was having some kickback issues on startup cranking.. with the BB i was able to drop the initial timing waay back ( 4 degrees @ 450rpm ) which fixed the kick back, and jumps to 11 at 650 and 16 at 900 to 1200 with smooth idle right at 1050 that hardly fluctuates even being carbureted. you cant fine tune like that with a dizzy.
on top of all the tuning the electronics are epoxy coated and water proof, only way for water to get in is in the plug. i couldn't tell you how many times my rail has been rained on the the BB just sits out in the open on it.
one of the few products ive paid full retail for and felt i got my money's worth
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Forced induction can overcome a lot of obsticles that gets in it's way
"You are the Engineer and the Mechanic.  
Build it your way not the way someone else does it. Their way might not work for you." - clonebug
An interesting thing happens in forums where everyone starts parroting the same thing and "common knowledge" takes over.
“ The monkey see monkey do mentality seems to run deep in VW people. "Gene Berg said it was so 30 years ago so thats the way it is" “ - bdkw1

[MikeyM73]

Wow, I’m sold! Thank you for the very detailed information. It seems well worth wild to go this route. Very good then… I will start saving my pennies and ping you all back when I have it in my hands.

Thanks again, very much.
Mikey
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'73 Pop-top Westy, found sitting in a field for 10+ years, cleaned up, rebuilt furniture, reloved. Original 1.7 block/fully polished crank, 93mm 1.8L balanced AA pistons & cylinders, new 1.8L balanced rods, HAM 42/36 heads, Scat C25 cam & lubalobe lifters, Dual HPMX40s, R2C filters w/ Outerwears pre-filters, functioning thermostat & flaps, Pertronix Flamethrower III, 4-1 exhaust w/ Cherry Bomb 2" turbo muffler & OEM heater boxes, averages about 19-22ish on the highway.

[Culito]

Hey all, I have a few quick questions about this -

-could someone point me to an install manual? I can't seem to find one online.

-could this be run without manifold vacuum, at least temporarily? I have dual IDFs, so I would need to find 4 vacuum take-offs, tees and tubing.

-does anyone have a neat solution to said IDF vacuum ports?

-I see it suggests resistor type spark plugs - will a resistor rotor work instead?

Thanks!
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[xzener]

I don't recommend running the engine without the vacuum line connected to the black box. It defeats the purpose. Keep your mechanical advance distributor installed until you get your vacuum line sorted.
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