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calvinater Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2014 Posts: 3333 Location: 802 The Pointless Forrest
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:24 pm Post subject: howdy 1974 super beetle rest with dad |
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Howdy im a 13 year old boy in the northern vermont area with my uncles 1974 super beetle we just went 800 miles there and back to get it. Me and my dad are planning to restore it to working condition for my first car, however we have know VW experience so if we could get some help that would be fabulous. her are some pictures of the car.
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calvinater Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2014 Posts: 3333 Location: 802 The Pointless Forrest
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:28 pm Post subject: engine |
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this is the engine most missing parts are in side the car.
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Beautiful clean car, should have it tip top in no time.
Does it run? engine looks really clean. Probably not the original, this engine once had an air conditioner attaches.
You need some major help in the engine bay. The most alarming thing is the black hose on the right. It is blowing in a hole made for sucking. Not alarming because it is damaging anything, alarming because it is an indicator of how things are hooked up. Ie expect anything.
First things though. The fuel filter in the engine bay. Move it to either by the transmission or under the gas tank. It is a failure point and when it fails the engine catches on fire and destroys the bug.
Get an air filter. Yours came with a paper element, I like them, most on this site like the oil bath filters. That black hose on the right connects to the air filter so it can suck warm air off the cylinder bank on cold mornings.
Also hook up the vacume advance on the distributor can't really set the timing without it. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
engine looks really clean. Probably not the original, this engine once had an air conditioner attaches. |
Looks like the original engine. AC hose are in the upper left of the engien compartment. _________________ Glenn
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, your right there are a couple of very air conditioner like hoses there on the left. My bad. |
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Tim Donahoe Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Calvin--look at my engine bay and see how things are hooked up.
Check out the hoses--big and small.
Looks like a nice bug to start out. Much nicer than a lot I've seen lately.
Tim |
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Her74buggy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Tim Donahoe wrote: |
Calvin--look at my engine bay and see how things are hooked up.
Check out the hoses--big and small.
Looks like a nice bug to start out. Much nicer than a lot I've seen lately.
Tim |
Is there a fuel hose even attached to the plastic fuel filter? Lots of stem showing. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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It might be worth pointing out that all posted pictures get scrutinized as Her74buggy did indeed strutinize Tim's picture.
The picture is just what you need. Ignoring of course that he has a fuel filter in the engine bay
Really good view of the large pipes on either end and a paper air cleaner all properly hooked up and the distributor with the correct metal "shepards crook" vacum line. |
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allsidius Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2010 Posts: 1475 Location: Norway
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Ignoring also that you don't have a mechanical fuel pump, there must be an electric one somewhere.
Start by finding an air filter housing, I have one at home, but postage would be killing. Don't just throw on a chrome aftermarket one, the original has five or six connections for return air, crankcase breather hose, prewarmed air with thermostatic selector etc. This car should have a paper cartridge filter, which works just as good or better than the oil bath. This is a 1973 motor, just to show you how the hoses go. It has an 009 distributor, so no vacuum hose for that, but otherwise it is reasonable standard set up.
Also, I would like to point out that the upper and lower part of the engine are supposed to be sealed off from each other. That hole on the left is for a flexible hose to be hooked up to the outlet on the left side of the shroud. This is for blowing air from the cooling fan, into the heat exchangers and into the cabin if you so desire, or out on the road if you don't want heat. On the right side, you have the hose, but it is running into the wrong hole. It shold be relocated into the heat exchanger, right in front of it. The rear hole is for picking up heated air from the engine, for cold starts. Check the picture. When you get your air filter, this hose goes on underneath the filter, on the right hand side. All three hoses should have rubber sleeves to seal off towards the rear tin plate.
On top of the black canister next to the generator, there is a connection for a 3/4" hose. This should also go into the air filter. Out of this hole is a cloud of oil coming from the crankcase, which should be sucked into the engine and not left to contaminate the road and your engine room.
A lot of people are not too upset about air leaks between upper and lower part of the engine bay, but I think VW knew a thing or two about the importance of keeping cold air in the upper room, and not letting heated air into the cooling fan to be recycled. That is why you should find little rubber gaskets on your plug cables, too.
The best way of making it run the way it was supposed to is to restore everything to factory spec. Not conting the fuel pump, if it works OK, leave it electric.
Good luck on a nice car. _________________ 1973 1303S w sunroof Click to view image
1978 1303 convertible (sold)Click to view image
1966 1300 RIPClick to view image
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calvinater Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2014 Posts: 3333 Location: 802 The Pointless Forrest
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:39 am Post subject: Air filter |
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Howdy allsidius we have the air filter housing those pictures were before we took all the missing parts out of the car here is a more recent picture.
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allsidius Samba Member
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Mikedrevguy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Looks like a great start, Calvin.
There' are three large holes in the rear engine tin. Two uter ones and the one nearest the pulley. That one nearest the pulley is used to draw warmed air up into the air.filter and into the carb. The outer two are used to connect the fan shroud to the heaterboxes; the air flows out of the fan shroud, through the heaterboxes and ultimately into the cabin (as warmed air.).
Good luck getting it all sorted out. Have fun with it.
Rev. _________________ 74 1303 (RevBug): plan for German Look
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79 VW Iltis
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Her74buggy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:27 am Post subject: |
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[email protected] wrote: |
It might be worth pointing out that all posted pictures get scrutinized as Her74buggy did indeed strutinize Tim's picture.
The picture is just what you need. Ignoring of course that he has a fuel filter in the engine bay
Really good view of the large pipes on either end and a paper air cleaner all properly hooked up and the distributor with the correct metal "shepards crook" vacum line. |
Not trying to be negative, it was just an observation. I run my hose all the way down the stem and clamp it so if I posted a pic and it looked like that I would be happy someone pointed it out because that would mean I need to slide the hose down before it comes loose and flames up the engine bay. I can't really see it well and it's probably how he wants it but just a heads up. |
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Tim Donahoe Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Concerning my fuel filter, when I pull the motor to do a few odds and ends to it, I'll get rid of that filter entirely. I'm using German-braided 5.5mm hose and it's pushed on to entirely cover the first size of the filter's conduit. It also has hose clamps. I'll also be installing a new metal line (the one that wraps around the engine shroud) since the current one touches my manifold (and is currently being held away from it by a clothespin).
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Calvinater looks like a nice starting point, mostly complete engine just a few odds and ends missing. As previously stated you need to get those fresh air hoses hooked up from your fan shroud to your heat exchangers. Not really a big deal at all, a few bucks from your local FLAPS and a couple clamps.
Don't worry about your fuel filter in the engine bay, its fine-- just make sure the hoses connected to it are tight as is the connection at the carburetor. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
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calvinater Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:36 pm Post subject: pre heater hose |
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on the driver side were the air 2 1/2 inch hose connecting pipe is twisted about 15* clock wise how do we re align it.
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calvinater Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:39 pm Post subject: name |
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Also her name is Sasha |
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Tim Donahoe Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Cal, just squirt some WD40 where it fits onto that pipe, and grab the edge with a pair of pliers, and loosen/work the flange over a bit, so as to fit the tin (pipe connectors) to it. Then you put your paper hose over the conduit can(s).
I use large clamps to hold these on, air tight.
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calvinater Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2014 Posts: 3333 Location: 802 The Pointless Forrest
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:24 am Post subject: thank you tim |
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