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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:28 am    Post subject: How do you feel about Bondo or fiberglass? Reply with quote

I've started work on my 73 coupe ,and I was sanding the trunk area and noticed rust holes and so on where the Spare tire would sit. I don't Have the money or recourses to fabricate or replace. I cleaned it up and treated the area with ospho, but I want to know how you feel about fiberglass or bondo to repair these types of areas. I'll post pictures when I get home. Also have a similar problem on the Bottom of my deck lid
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: How do you feel about Bondo or fiberglass? Reply with quote

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I've started work on my 73 coupe ,and I was sanding the trunk area and noticed rust holes and so on where the Spare tire would sit. I don't Have the money or recourses to fabricate or replace.


I am also working on a 73 coupe and have found that many of the metal replacement parts for sale, are the exact same metal part sold by many different vendors, but the prices for that same part can have as much as a $25.00 difference. Pays to shop around.

In the end its your car do what you think best, but always keep in mind what you do can affect the resell price.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might be a short term solution to the problem if the rust can get access to the atmosphere and separate the bondo from the metal.

I'm fine with plastic filler over good metal, like welded seams. I have some pretty thick, 25 plus years old on my ghia, and it is holding up just fine. But that was over rough body work, not rust.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoying the opinions ,I might replace it one day but I'm just looking for a good fix so I can make it smooth and paint it so it's more presentable. I do live in a humid area so I'm looking for something that can hold, and not allow any future problems.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This.
The ospho is short term, I would, grind/sand...whatever to remove as much as possible. Metal prep/phosphoric acid and then seal with something like Masterseries. Now it wont come back and when you have available funds you can complete any metal replacement. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It might be a short term solution

This.
The ospho is short term, I would, grind/sand...whatever to remove as much as possible. Metal prep/phosphoric acid and then seal with something like Masterseries. Now it wont come back and when you have available funds you can complete any metal replacement. Good luck.

Gotcha,I've been using rustoleum , would this be sufficient ?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you need to figure in the cost of the paint job that is going over it, and the consequences of having to potentially re-do the work. If it's a do it yourself, cheapo paint job, and you just want it to look good for now, then you can cut corners. But if you are paying someone thousands of dollars to paint over it, you don't want that fix to be short term. Replacing the rusty panel or patching it with metal is the best solution.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think you need to figure in the cost of the paint job that is going over it, and the consequences of having to potentially re-do the work. If it's a do it yourself, cheapo paint job, and you just want it to look good for now, then you can cut corners. But if you are paying someone thousands of dollars to paint over it, you don't want that fix to be short term. Replacing the rusty panel or patching it with metal is the best solution.


Yepp just a cheap paint job going to make it matte blue and black, it's not in a noticeable place so when I get the funds I'll just re paint that section
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the pics,not the best and probably doesn't show up well
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your deck lid is toast, probably much cheaper to replace that part. Not that it cant be repaired just that you can buy another for less than the time/effort/$$. The lower apron doesnt look too bad and well worth the bit of labor to save. If you have that much rust in those areas you will have more all over that isnt showing now. IMO it would be worth while to spend $35 on a qt of http://www.masterseriesct.com/. Try it you'll like it Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The simplest solution to the engine lid rust is to just find a good used one to replace it.
I have repaired areas like your spare tire well by putting a temporary patch of foil tape to the underside (if the holes aren't huge) and pouring several thin coats of POR15 from the top side after correct preparation of the existing metal. I have also encapsulated a small sheet metal patch in that POR15. Now, I know that some will be screaming "Hack Job", but it does work on a budget job----------------especially in concealed areas like under the spare tire.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taking all of this into consideration ,I've heard of por15 on here before. I guess I'll get some of that and some masterseries, and keep it for future use. I'll keep my eyes peeled for a deck lid on the classifieds ,and there's a vw meet here in October maybe I can luck up and get one local. Should I keep my lid and fix it? The rest of it is in good shape.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Should I keep my lid and fix it?

If you want to practice. There is a repair part for it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll find a metal fab guy if I need it fixed. love the idea of those,but for the price I can probably get a nice replacement .
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Taking all of this into consideration ,I've heard of por15 on here before. I guess I'll get some of that and some masterseries, and keep it for future use.


You don't need both, just one or the other. They do the same thing and are competitive products. I will not recommend one over the other, but you will likely get all kinds of advice on that. It's all in the prep. Prepare the areas right and either one will do the job. Oh, and wear gloves. Wink
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Two pair of gloves Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Two pair of gloves Wink


Shocked This stuff must be heavy duty!
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Two pair of gloves Wink


Shocked This stuff must be heavy duty!

You will not get it off of your skin (or out of your hair) and will wear it like a badge of honor for a long time.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fiberglass? It's great for boats, bathtubs, and surf boards. Sucks for attaching it to steel & having it last.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fiberglass? It's great for boats, bathtubs, and surf boards. Sucks for attaching it to steel & having it last.

bnc


Well it's on a horizontal piece, I figured that since water drains out of it the fiberglass would be a solution to make it look good and stop rust. But I'm going to do what I can do, and purchase some por 15
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