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kiwighia68
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 Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:44 am Post subject: Wiring issues - what are these? |
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I'm rewiring my '68 Ghia coupe using the original wires and parts as far as I can. I have the wiring diagram from the Bentley book. I also have two relays(?) mounted next to each other as I found them on my car. This is what the diagram and the relays look like next to each other:
My problem is that the numbers on the relays don't match the numbers on the diagram.
Can anyone tell me which wires as shown on the diagram connect to which ports on the two relays, please?
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KGCoupe
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Although that part is not the original style part that came with the Ghia originally, I know that you are trying to reuse every part that came with your car when you bought it that you can.
Looking at your picture here,
it is obvious that terminal 49a on the wiring diagram is the added bit on your conglomeration - the two spade connectors with the red plastic insulation.
Since the two connectors are electrically common to one another, it shouldn't matter which way you connect the two wires.
FWIW, a data sheet for the two relays that you have can be found here:
http://www.conrad.com/ce/en/product/504045/Kraecker-12-Vdc-Automotive-Relay-20-A
... and that's as far as I could get trying to figure out the rest of it. Sorry. 
This is one of those times when you are either really, really thankful that you took tons of reference pictures of everything before you even thought about begining to disassemble the car ... or you are really, really sorry that you did not do that.
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kiwighia68
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... and that's as far as I could get trying to figure out the rest of it. Sorry. :oops:
This is one of those times when you are either really, really thankful that you took tons of reference pictures of everything before you even thought about begining to disassemble the car ... or you are really, really sorry that you did not do that.
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You are so right. I have a picture, but the wiring was so messy and dirty I can't see what goes where!
I think Nicholas has the solution - since these relays were not part of the original wiring.
A single 7-9 pin relay.
(You should see the metal the PO used for patches!)
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(You should see the metal the PO used for patches!) |
The PO of mine used pieces of filing cabinet for patches, didn't do a terrible job though. Haha |
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kiwighia68
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(You should see the metal the PO used for patches!) |
The PO of mine used pieces of filing cabinet for patches, didn't do a terrible job though. Haha |
Well, that's good metal. Mine used sardine tin, I think, only thinner.
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| kiwighia68 wrote: |
| KGCoupe wrote: |
(You should see the metal the PO used for patches!) |
The PO of mine used pieces of filing cabinet for patches, didn't do a terrible job though. Haha |
Well, that's good metal. Mine used sardine tin, I think, only thinner. |
Yeah it galvanized and heavy gauge, hate hearing about poor jobs like that though.hope you get her cleaned up and look forward to pics ! |
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The German language is so adorably pragmatic: "Blinkgeber" on your relays there literally means "Blink Giver" ...
I concur that this is a home-crafted solution made of newer (80's vintage) bits and bobs. If I were me, I'd buy a replacement unit from a VW parts specialist as previously mentioned. Only certain years (1966 and 1967, IIRC) had oddball blinker relays which have not been covered by the aftermarket.
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kiwighia68
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| retrowagen wrote: |
The German language is so adorably pragmatic: "Blinkgeber" on your relays there literally means "Blink Giver" ...
I concur that this is a home-crafted solution made of newer (80's vintage) bits and bobs. If I were me, I'd buy a replacement unit from a VW parts specialist as previously mentioned. Only certain years (1966 and 1967, IIRC) had oddball blinker relays which have not been covered by the aftermarket. |
Yes, Im going to look for that part. I'm not fanatical about OEM parts, but if one is available, I prefer that to an aftermarket item.
On the language issue; Few people know or remember that English is actually a member of the Germanic group of languages, which includes Dutch, Flemish, Afrikaans and some Scandinavian languages. As the words blink and giver demonstrate.
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| kiwighia68 wrote: |
| retrowagen wrote: |
The German language is so adorably pragmatic: "Blinkgeber" on your relays there literally means "Blink Giver" ...
I concur that this is a home-crafted solution made of newer (80's vintage) bits and bobs. If I were me, I'd buy a replacement unit from a VW parts specialist as previously mentioned. Only certain years (1966 and 1967, IIRC) had oddball blinker relays which have not been covered by the aftermarket. |
Yes, Im going to look for that part. I'm not fanatical about OEM parts, but if one is available, I prefer that to an aftermarket item.
On the language issue; Few people know or remember that English is actually a member of the Germanic group of languages, which includes Dutch, Flemish, Afrikaans and some Scandinavian languages. As the words blink and giver demonstrate. |
Quite right. I do speak/read/write German, and can understand Dutch, Flemish, and Afrikaans well. Written Swedish and Norwegian, too, can be deciphered with some degree of accuracy, though Finnish and Lapp can not, being from a different origin.
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| retrowagen wrote: |
| Only certain years (1966 and 1967, IIRC) had oddball blinker relays which have not been covered by the aftermarket. |
David
The '67 relay is reproduced by WW. Its a 12v version that also appears in Beetles and Vans. On the other hand, the '66 relay is not reproduced. It is a 6 volt relay that is functionally identical except for voltage. No wonder it isn't being reproduced and that is one of the reasons I've gone to 12 volts on mine.
It can be used in the 68 with a couple unused terminals that, as far as I can work out, are involved with some weird rear brake flashing arrangement that used to go on in the US back in the day.
Nicholas.
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