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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:23 pm    Post subject: E (& F) Reply with quote

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"The inner of one Prototype"
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Yes, to me this is likely Prototype E. From p1 (the top bus):

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Prototype E, top (say a Kombi - two tone paint - no interior panels - dark colour through middle)


^^Good detailed pic. Seats are ugly. Middle seat looks like 2 beetle seats strapped together?!
v Prototype F's middle seat looks refined, and has the recognisable Barndoor 4-pleat/repeat pattern.

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Prototype F

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I guess this suggests the Standard (F) was built after the Kombi (E).
Logical.

F's cab door panel has a pleat in it.
No rubber kick mat on the btm of the cargo door panel.

Best pic of the steering wheel/dash pod yet, too (F)
Could it have used the small diameter beetle steering wheel?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:26 am    Post subject: B1 Reply with quote

A couple more of B1

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^Exterior mirror is a recognisable Barndoor design

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^Door cards. No cargo door strap

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^Curved & ribbed accelerator pedal

From p1:

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Check out the interior of the open door on the panel bus.
And the wrinkles on the front seat fabric

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:33 am    Post subject: D Reply with quote

D. Just a fuller version of the engine/bloke shot

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:57 am    Post subject: E & Plattenwagen Reply with quote

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Seats are ugly. Middle seat looks like 2 beetle seats strapped together

Plattenwagen example looks to have a very similar seat
Probably would provide clues to the steering/dash/pedals too
Decklid brakelight matches D

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Anyone have better Plattenwagen pictures?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Richard Copping book:

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From Bernd Wiersch book "Als der Kafer Laufen Lernte":

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Plattenwagen seems to have an early standard 3 spoke beetle steering wheel (slightly convex shape of ring).it also seems to have a kdf style speedo. the Barndoor prototype above has what can easily be identified as the concave style steering wheel rim, like later Barndoors would have, but the hub and horn diameter is bigger than on a stnadard beetle ( which later would also have that concave shape). Petri made steering wheels for so many German cars. I have a Petri banjo steering wheel of unknown origin and it has exactly the same concave shape of the rim like later Bds have and the elongated indentions on the back of the rib. it is somewhat smaller then a BD wheel, but bigger than a beetle.
What I am saying, it is very possible that the prototypes had some kind of steering wheel that Petri produced, non BD specific.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you talking about this one? i allready got two of them..

but they look very familiar to the picture Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

exactly that one ! my rim is 425mm outer diam and the hub is approx. 103mm ( it will neither take a small standard beetle horn , nor a larger split or BD button. but it takes another all white bakelite Petri horn button I have, that came from a truck size bus).
it takes a small diameter splined steering shaft, much like a 60s beetle. to me, the feel and shape of the rim is the same as a BD. I love those concave steering wheel shapes for the thumb and the 2 finger wide ribs on the back. it is just one of those things that gets me stoked on Barndoors. post 55 steering wheels flex and feel like **** compared to that IMHO
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:05 am    Post subject: Re: D Reply with quote

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D. Just a fuller version of the engine/bloke shot

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just look at the flimsy design of the engine lid, compared to the production one. licence plate recess seems to be torch welded in. recess lines are uneven
the design of the compartment and rear panel is already flawless and what would become production.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:56 am    Post subject: D Reply with quote

D has 4 clear roof joins, so a 5-piece roof
No discernible gutter/gutter pattern either, unlike all the other Prototypes
Can see the forward outrigger shape...
Stating the obvious, but it has to be the first Prototype

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Plattenwagen, just noticed the semaphores and wiper motor
You'd have thought the barndoor would have received a version of its glovebox!

Yes, the BD steering wheel is ace. And the Prototype version is handsome too
Johnny D my boy, please post up some more of the information you hold.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we assume that all the Prototypes have 6 vertical louvres?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: E (& F) Reply with quote

Capriacci wrote:
"The inner of one Prototype"
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cargo net is a nice touch
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: D Reply with quote

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Johnny D my boy, please post up some more of the information you hold.


sorry, i can´t. Embarassed i was told to keep it for me, but it helps to make my bus allmost correct.

but maybe time will help us and i´m allowed to share some pics. otherwise, maybe vw or someone else who is also holding informations are willing to share some informations sooner or later. i guess we just have to keep this thread alive! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:10 pm    Post subject: G Reply with quote

Here's another one of G (other pictures are at the top of p2)

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Colour coded cab handle.
Tyres look cool.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, not one Prototype, but curiously the front emblem screwed from outside and the finger pull on the sliding glass - with butterfly latch - are visible

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, slotted screw heads holding the cargo door hinges.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thread, isnt it funny how the prototypes look like Columbian busses do now Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks RockStock for starting this thread. It was time we had all the prototype info in one place. I hope it will become just as informative as the VW38 tread was for the '38 series beetles.

Here is my contribution. Nice, crisp, detailed shot of three buses together. The light on dark panel, dark on light window bus and the light coloured Delicatessen panel. Going by the checkered floor tiles it is the same place - Wolfsburg? Is it the same time though? Could possibly be. Nice lineup for the press.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing pic, Undis! High quality. Thanks for sharing

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:29 am    Post subject: B1, E, G Reply with quote

Superb Undis - best picture yet!
From L to R: B1, E, G
So it's a pinstripe on G...I thought it was trim

Be nice to see a colour pic of G...my imagination is saying the pinstripe/bumper rib/wheel inner/badge/headlight rim colour is Copper Red, like the Light Beige 53/55 beetle combo

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