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kiwighia68
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 Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:56 pm Post subject: Paint formula for Lotus White - L282 (42) |
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Does anyone have the paint formula for Lotus White (L 282 (42)), which was used on Ghias in 1967 and 1968?
I need to decide on a paint colour at the end of the week and my car's original colour was Lotus White. If I can't find the formula for Lotus White, I'll probably have to use a more modern VW colour - Harvest Moon Beige - (on the VW Beetle convertible in 2005).
But I need the formulae for test post to be prepared.
Help please. (There's no old paint on my car to help with scanning or anything.)
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I think this may be what you're looking for;
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kiwighia68
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That's the colour I'm looking for, Dean, thanks. I hope those codes mean something to the painter guys at Ngatea. They have a specialist from Resene coming in once a week, and I suppose they'l work it out between them.
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KGCoupe
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Lotus White with a "red" top and "tan" interior - what more do you need to know?
I'm certain the signifigance of a Ghia named Emiko that once lived in Japan having the original color of Lotus White has not gone unnoticed by a sharp guy like you.
Likewise I'm sure that you know that the lotus flower symbolizes rebirth in certain cultures, so if you can think of a more appropriate color for your Ghia then by all means go ahead and paint it that color. 
Oh, and BTW, here is what PaintRef.com has to say about the formulation cross references and various applications for Volkswagen Lotus White (L 282):
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail.cgi?paintx=1967%7CVolkswagen%7CLotus%20White%7C52116 |
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| 2x on the red (deep red) top. |
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kiwighia68
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Lotus White with a "red" top and "tan" interior - what more do you need to know?
I'm certain the signifigance of a Ghia named Emiko that once lived in Japan having the original color of Lotus White has not gone unnoticed by a sharp guy like you.
Likewise I'm sure that you know that the lotus flower symbolizes rebirth in certain cultures, so if you can think of a more appropriate color for your Ghia then by all means go ahead and paint it that color. :wink:
Oh, and BTW, here is what PaintRef.com has to say about the formulation cross references and various applications for Volkswagen Lotus White (L 282):
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail.cgi?paintx=1967%7CVolkswagen%7CLotus%20White%7C52116 |
You make, as usual, a compelling argument, using a subtle mix of flattery, sentiment, emotion, reason, science, mythology and some fierce arm-twisting!
What if I were to say I agree with you, except that I'm thinking of paper bag brown for the roof?
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KGCoupe
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Lotus White with a "red" top and "tan" interior - what more do you need to know?
I'm certain the signifigance of a Ghia named Emiko that once lived in Japan having the original color of Lotus White has not gone unnoticed by a sharp guy like you.
Likewise I'm sure that you know that the lotus flower symbolizes rebirth in certain cultures, so if you can think of a more appropriate color for your Ghia then by all means go ahead and paint it that color.
Oh, and BTW, here is what PaintRef.com has to say about the formulation cross references and various applications for Volkswagen Lotus White (L 282):
http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail.cgi?paintx=1967%7CVolkswagen%7CLotus%20White%7C52116 |
You make, as usual, a compelling argument, using a subtle mix of flattery, sentiment, emotion, reason, science, mythology and some fierce arm-twisting!
What if I were to say I agree with you, except that I'm thinking of paper bag brown for the roof? |
I'd say bag it up - I'll take it! 
Hey - just to be clear, I'm not trying to talk you into doing anything that you don't want to do.
Based on many of your previous posts, I just feel that you and I have some similar personality traits (and I don't mean that as an insult to you ).
I'm just trying to point out things that I think you already know but may not be able to see right now because you have so much going on.
The bottom line is that it's your car, so by all means do what you really want to do with it.
After all, the only person that you have to answer to is yourself.
... well, OK - yourself, and more importantly your wife. |
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kiwighia68
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| Hey - just to be clear, I'm not trying to talk you into doing anything that you don't want to do... |
Your previous post did it for me, and reminded me of the things I should have been thinking but didn't. There's just too much in favour of Lotus White, as your post suggested. So that's the way it's going to be, with the paper-bag brown roof.
Earthy colours. Rebirth, as you say. The symbolism of that flower - which I was unaware of.
I really appreciate your input.
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| Hey - just to be clear, I'm not trying to talk you into doing anything that you don't want to do... |
Your previous post did it for me, and reminded me of the things I should have been thinking but didn't. There's just too much in favour of Lotus White, as your post suggested. So that's the way it's going to be, with the paper-bag brown roof.
Earthy colours. Rebirth, as you say. The symbolism of that flower - which I was unaware of.
I really appreciate your input.
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| kiwighia68 wrote: |
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| Hey - just to be clear, I'm not trying to talk you into doing anything that you don't want to do... |
Your previous post did it for me, and reminded me of the things I should have been thinking but didn't. There's just too much in favour of Lotus White, as your post suggested. So that's the way it's going to be, with the paper-bag brown roof.
Earthy colours. Rebirth, as you say. The symbolism of that flower - which I was unaware of.
I really appreciate your input. |
Phew! Another one saved from the dark side (black paint).
My job here is done. |
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I think the lotus white is an excellent choice. Even though your bodyman is superb, he will probably thank you too. It is a much easier color to take care of than black. You will also thank yourself in a non air conditioned car.
All paint systems are different and have different mixing formulas. If a code is no longer in their system the paint guy should have a large book of paint chip colors to match to whatever shade or tint of color you desire.
Have them mix a small amount and do a sprayout topcoated with clear so that you can take it home with you for a day. Look at it in the sunlight, the shade and the inside and match it up to your upholstery before you give the go ahead.
Of course I didn't do all this I just winged it. But it is the advice I'd give anyone else paying someone else to do it. |
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kiwighia68
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I think the lotus white is an excellent choice. Even though your bodyman is superb, he will probably thank you too. It is a much easier color to take care of than black. You will also thank yourself in a non air conditioned car.
All paint systems are different and have different mixing formulas. If a code is no longer in their system the paint guy should have a large book of paint chip colors to match to whatever shade or tint of color you desire... |
Does that mean I can cheat a little and still call it Lotus White? I would like the colour to be a little creamier and towards the ivory side. We are going to use a more modern paint, in a "two-pack" application.
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Earthy colours. Rebirth, as you say. The symbolism of that flower - which I was unaware of. |
Interesting thread --
The goddess Parvati carries a lotus when she appears with Shiva and her vestments are a pure white -- a color made up of all colors -- to symbolize that she has achieved enlightenment, mastering all the fundamental aspects of nature (gunas).
So in hindu iconography the lotus is rebirth and white is perfect knowledge combined with perfect balance.
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Earthy colours. Rebirth, as you say. The symbolism of that flower - which I was unaware of. |
Interesting thread --
The goddess Parvati carries a lotus when she appears with Shiva and her vestments are a pure white -- a color made up of all colors -- to symbolize that she has achieved enlightenment, mastering all the fundamental aspects of nature (gunas).
So in hindu iconography the lotus is rebirth and white is perfect knowledge combined with perfect balance.
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Thanks for this. More enlightenment. I have been trying hard to achieve that perfect balance.
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I think the lotus white is an excellent choice. Even though your bodyman is superb, he will probably thank you too. It is a much easier color to take care of than black. You will also thank yourself in a non air conditioned car.
All paint systems are different and have different mixing formulas. If a code is no longer in their system the paint guy should have a large book of paint chip colors to match to whatever shade or tint of color you desire... |
Does that mean I can cheat a little and still call it Lotus White? I would like the colour to be a little creamier and towards the ivory side. We are going to use a more modern paint, in a "two-pack" application. |
Sure. What's in a name? |
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I think the lotus white is an excellent choice. Even though your bodyman is superb, he will probably thank you too. It is a much easier color to take care of than black. You will also thank yourself in a non air conditioned car.
All paint systems are different and have different mixing formulas. If a code is no longer in their system the paint guy should have a large book of paint chip colors to match to whatever shade or tint of color you desire... |
Does that mean I can cheat a little and still call it Lotus White? I would like the colour to be a little creamier and towards the ivory side. We are going to use a more modern paint, in a "two-pack" application. |
I think that's the beauty of doing a complete respray.. the colour can be exactly as you like it! My car is pearl white but it doesn't match the code on the system but was mixed to match the dash of my car (pearl white + 50 years). I think white and tan is a really nice cool combo and it'll be nice to lay out some chips with your interior and see how it all ties together.
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Earthy colours. Rebirth, as you say. The symbolism of that flower - which I was unaware of. |
Interesting thread --
The goddess Parvati carries a lotus when she appears with Shiva and her vestments are a pure white -- a color made up of all colors -- to symbolize that she has achieved enlightenment, mastering all the fundamental aspects of nature (gunas).
So in hindu iconography the lotus is rebirth and white is perfect knowledge combined with perfect balance.
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Thanks for this. More enlightenment. I have been trying hard to achieve that perfect balance. |
Photoshop that picture of Ganga so that she is riding on top of a Karmann Ghia (on dry land, naturally) instead of a crocodile, and it would make an even better image of "true" enlightenment. |
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Photoshop skillz 1000
I didn't put her on the roof because I don't want my roof dented. So I guess the engine can keep her warm since it's nippy out!
Maybe I'll name my car fluss - for river
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