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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:18 pm    Post subject: Type 3 vs. Type 1 shifter Reply with quote

Hello,

I purchased a chrome stock Type 3 shifter for a few bucks for my Manx buggy ('63 type 1 pan). When I installed it, It didn't seem to be engaging in any gears, so I took it out I compared it to both early and late Type 1 shifters I have around. I noticed that the Type 3 shifter appears to be shorter between the "cup" of the shifter (where it contacts the bolt-down base) and the ball of the shifter, where it fits into the shift rod:

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My question: Is the shifter base of a type 3 shifter shorter, or otherwise much different than a Type 1 shifter base? The base that came with the Type 3 shifter I bought looks just like the Type 1 shifter plates I have, but I noticed that other Type 3 shifters have a different, much larger boot, along with a different base:

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Thanks for any info you can give.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Type 3 vs. Type 1 shifter Reply with quote

Do you have the slot cut into the shift rod cup to accommodate the locating pin the Type 3 shifter? If not the ball of the shifter will not engage into the shift rod cup. When I installed a Type 3 shifter in my 69 Baja, I had to cut this slot into the shift rod cup.

Here is one without a slot.

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Here is one with a slot.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Type 3 vs. Type 1 shifter Reply with quote

Multi69s wrote:
Do you have the slot cut into the shift rod cup to accommodate the locating pin the Type 3 shifter? If not the ball of the shifter will not engage into the shift rod cup. When I installed a Type 3 shifter in my 69 Baja, I had to cut this slot into the shift rod cup.


Thanks - yes, the shift rod cup does have the slot.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:46 am    Post subject: Re: Type 3 vs. Type 1 shifter Reply with quote

Hi. Yes, the shifter base is matched to the type 3 shifter.
There was a change at approx. '71 or '72 where the shifter seemed to have a slightly shorter "throw" from gear to gear. I'm not sure if VW changed the later base to possibly be a closer, or identical, match to the type 1 components.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Type 3 vs. Type 1 shifter Reply with quote

rockerarm wrote:
Hi. Yes, the shifter base is matched to the type 3 shifter.
There was a change at approx. '71 or '72 where the shifter seemed to have a slightly shorter "throw" from gear to gear. I'm not sure if VW changed the later base to possibly be a closer, or identical, match to the type 1 components.
Bill.


Bill, thanks so much. Now to find a base to match the shifter.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: Type 3 vs. Type 1 shifter Reply with quote

Steve
did you resolve the issues ,mine is a Fastback 69 and i removed a bushing from the top of the lever

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and order the couple holder and is the same now in 4th gear got loose from the rod , cut a plastic bottle neck to help push in the lever.
i think the lever use a super beetle bushing.
i want to buy a short sifter but if i don't resolve this ill never happened
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: Type 3 vs. Type 1 shifter Reply with quote

Interesting, I never would have thought there would have been a difference.

I guess I will find out on my '70 when I fit one of the Hurst shifters to my Square.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Type 3 vs. Type 1 shifter Reply with quote

catbox wrote:
Interesting, I never would have thought there would have been a difference.

I guess I will find out on my '70 when I fit one of the Hurst shifters to my Square.


I've put many hurst's into many type 3's, it's my favorite somewhat budget shifter - I guess now not so much. Anyways, no issues, no mods needed. Enjoy
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