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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:17 pm    Post subject: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

I am in the middle of replacing my steel brake lines and find that I am damaging the plastic coating on the lines when using my bending pliers (lisle 44150).

Wondering if I should be touching up the scratches before I install, or just put them in. I'm going to spray everything with woolwax undercoater after install, thoughts?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up brake lines Reply with quote

Seems like it's one of those of you have to ask you know the answer.

It would be the easiest time to do it.

What had you choose anything other than something non corrosive? Especially with winter weather.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up brake lines Reply with quote

Ya fair enough, I just ordered a brake line set for the van didn't get options of materials.

I suppose a better question would have been what would be the best product to coat the lines with? It needs to stick to both the plastic and the exposed steel
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

I'd use rubberized undercoating -after you have them bent. Hopefully the clips won't scratch it off
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

ya that might do it, was considering brush on neoprene, and plasti-dip. Might have to get all three and see which sticks the best. thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

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Wondering if I should be touching up the scratches before I install, or just put them in. I'm going to spray everything with woolwax undercoater after install, thoughts?


are these scratches on the plastic coating or full depth down to the brake line steel? if on the plastic, don't worry about it. if down to the steel, cover it with nearly any sealant... Liquid Electrical tape, RTV, etc.

plastic coated steel lines seem to always rust where the body clip abrades thru the plastic coating. don't like them myself. wish they'd use nickel copper lines and be done with rusted lines for good, instead of a 7 year mentality.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

NiCopp is soo much easier to handle , bend, and flare,,total win.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:11 am    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

hmmm, maybe I will just scrap the ones I started with and go buy some Cu Ni stuff.

At least I have all the fittings from the kit I bought, would be a wasted $75, but could be worse...

Can someone confirm this flare kit will work?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

you will laugh at how nice NiCopp is to work with and just consider that $75 tuition. but don't take the course over and buy fake nickel-copper line... there is a TON of it out there on eBay and Amazon. buy real stuff, with trade names of either NiCopp (made by AGS) or Cunifer and you need to buy it through a real supply chain like NAPA.

i get my brake stuff from fedhillusa.com and they sell genuine Cunifer. yes, it is expensive and yes, the cheap stuff is fake.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:44 am    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

Yes, if worried about every $75 wasted I would certainly not own a vanagon haha. Thanks for the info. Back to the parts store I go!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:30 am    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

NiCopp.... Didn't think of this before now - I guess it would also eliminate rust on the inside? For those that don't flush every 3 years, maybe it could minimize the sludge that can accumulate from water laden brake fluid?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:17 am    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

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Can someone confirm this flare kit will work?
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Yes that bubble flaring kit will work, some include SAE. Some FLAPS also rent this kit.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

So I found the brake line and the flare tool at Canadian Tire, but it damages the outside of the tubing pretty significantly. I guess the best option would be to get an imperial clamping bar and use with the bubble anvil... what a pain in the ass

Edit: Well according to the internet at large, the damage to the pipe is normal with an inexpensive flare tool and people just ignore it!? I'm sure its structurally fine but seems super ghetto.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

That’s fine. It’s just a flare

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

I know it may be too late...but this kit is far better if you can swing it

https://www.vevor.ca/hydraulic-tube-expander-c_103...0597533708
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

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Electrical tape on the brake line before clamping might minimize scaring.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

After a dozen flares I've gotten the tool figured out and it works okay, I guess... still a piece of junk. Need to touch up the flat part under the head of the flare with a file after forming as there is a gap between the clamping plates which results in a raised spot. I might try to return it yet but it will do the job. The CuNi line is great to work with though! Happy I went this route after all.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

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I am in the middle of replacing my steel brake lines and find that I am damaging the plastic coating on the lines when using my bending pliers (lisle 44150).

Wondering if I should be touching up the scratches before I install, or just put them in. I'm going to spray everything with woolwax undercoater after install, thoughts?


FWIW On another car forum they suggested removing the coating as it traps moisture and hides potential future failure points

Bending tool I use something like this https://www.harborfreight.com/tubing-bender-3755.html

Those "teeth marks" from the vice do look pretty severe
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

DanHoug wrote:
..wish they'd use nickel copper lines and be done with rusted lines for good, instead of a 7 year mentality.


Yeah I agree. When I fixed the lines on my Syncro, I used NiCopp on the hard lines. It's easy to work with and flare as long as you don't use a tubing cutter (they thin out the flaring end too much). I have that HF bending tool as well. Just dont forget to slide the fitting on the line before you flare it Laughing

https://www.amazon.com/Nickel-Copper-Brake-Line-Tu...FI5NHGNZ61

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That's a perfect bubble flare, except for the teeth marks (prob ok). What tool are you using? I have this Rigid, and it will not cause damage like that.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-1-8-in-to-3-4-i.../202826743
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines Reply with quote

Those pipes won't rust, don't lose any sleep over it.
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