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Andross Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:17 pm Post subject: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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I am in the middle of replacing my steel brake lines and find that I am damaging the plastic coating on the lines when using my bending pliers (lisle 44150).
Wondering if I should be touching up the scratches before I install, or just put them in. I'm going to spray everything with woolwax undercoater after install, thoughts? |
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vanis13 Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 3099 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up brake lines |
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Seems like it's one of those of you have to ask you know the answer.
It would be the easiest time to do it.
What had you choose anything other than something non corrosive? Especially with winter weather. _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
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Andross Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2011 Posts: 133 Location: Robson, BC
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up brake lines |
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Ya fair enough, I just ordered a brake line set for the van didn't get options of materials.
I suppose a better question would have been what would be the best product to coat the lines with? It needs to stick to both the plastic and the exposed steel |
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vanis13 Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 3099 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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I'd use rubberized undercoating -after you have them bent. Hopefully the clips won't scratch it off _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
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Andross Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2011 Posts: 133 Location: Robson, BC
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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ya that might do it, was considering brush on neoprene, and plasti-dip. Might have to get all three and see which sticks the best. thanks |
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4791 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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Andross wrote: |
Wondering if I should be touching up the scratches before I install, or just put them in. I'm going to spray everything with woolwax undercoater after install, thoughts? |
are these scratches on the plastic coating or full depth down to the brake line steel? if on the plastic, don't worry about it. if down to the steel, cover it with nearly any sealant... Liquid Electrical tape, RTV, etc.
plastic coated steel lines seem to always rust where the body clip abrades thru the plastic coating. don't like them myself. wish they'd use nickel copper lines and be done with rusted lines for good, instead of a 7 year mentality. _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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NiCopp is soo much easier to handle , bend, and flare,,total win. _________________ .ssS! |
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Andross Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2011 Posts: 133 Location: Robson, BC
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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hmmm, maybe I will just scrap the ones I started with and go buy some Cu Ni stuff.
At least I have all the fittings from the kit I bought, would be a wasted $75, but could be worse...
Can someone confirm this flare kit will work?
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4791 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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you will laugh at how nice NiCopp is to work with and just consider that $75 tuition. but don't take the course over and buy fake nickel-copper line... there is a TON of it out there on eBay and Amazon. buy real stuff, with trade names of either NiCopp (made by AGS) or Cunifer and you need to buy it through a real supply chain like NAPA.
i get my brake stuff from fedhillusa.com and they sell genuine Cunifer. yes, it is expensive and yes, the cheap stuff is fake. _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
Past projects can be found at--
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Andross Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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Yes, if worried about every $75 wasted I would certainly not own a vanagon haha. Thanks for the info. Back to the parts store I go! |
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vanis13 Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 3099 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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NiCopp.... Didn't think of this before now - I guess it would also eliminate rust on the inside? For those that don't flush every 3 years, maybe it could minimize the sludge that can accumulate from water laden brake fluid? _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
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skemems Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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Andross wrote: |
Can someone confirm this flare kit will work?
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Yes that bubble flaring kit will work, some include SAE. Some FLAPS also rent this kit. _________________ 87 VW Westfalia - EJ25
86 VW Westfalia - EJ22
85 VW Westfalia - WBX 2.1 project |
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Andross Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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So I found the brake line and the flare tool at Canadian Tire, but it damages the outside of the tubing pretty significantly. I guess the best option would be to get an imperial clamping bar and use with the bubble anvil... what a pain in the ass
Edit: Well according to the internet at large, the damage to the pipe is normal with an inexpensive flare tool and people just ignore it!? I'm sure its structurally fine but seems super ghetto.
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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That’s fine. It’s just a flare
Everybody alright? Lance, are you alright ? _________________ .ssS! |
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RoryGirl Samba Member
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PDXWesty Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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Electrical tape on the brake line before clamping might minimize scaring. _________________ 89 Westy 2.1 Auto |
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Andross Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2011 Posts: 133 Location: Robson, BC
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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After a dozen flares I've gotten the tool figured out and it works okay, I guess... still a piece of junk. Need to touch up the flat part under the head of the flare with a file after forming as there is a gap between the clamping plates which results in a raised spot. I might try to return it yet but it will do the job. The CuNi line is great to work with though! Happy I went this route after all. |
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space Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2017 Posts: 673
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:41 am Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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Andross wrote: |
I am in the middle of replacing my steel brake lines and find that I am damaging the plastic coating on the lines when using my bending pliers (lisle 44150).
Wondering if I should be touching up the scratches before I install, or just put them in. I'm going to spray everything with woolwax undercoater after install, thoughts? |
FWIW On another car forum they suggested removing the coating as it traps moisture and hides potential future failure points
Bending tool I use something like this https://www.harborfreight.com/tubing-bender-3755.html
Those "teeth marks" from the vice do look pretty severe _________________ 82 westy
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tjet Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Touching up damaged plastic coating on new brake lines |
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DanHoug wrote: |
..wish they'd use nickel copper lines and be done with rusted lines for good, instead of a 7 year mentality. |
Yeah I agree. When I fixed the lines on my Syncro, I used NiCopp on the hard lines. It's easy to work with and flare as long as you don't use a tubing cutter (they thin out the flaring end too much). I have that HF bending tool as well. Just dont forget to slide the fitting on the line before you flare it
https://www.amazon.com/Nickel-Copper-Brake-Line-Tu...FI5NHGNZ61
That's a perfect bubble flare, except for the teeth marks (prob ok). What tool are you using? I have this Rigid, and it will not cause damage like that.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-1-8-in-to-3-4-i.../202826743 |
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