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alijonny Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2007 Posts: 328 Location: Des Plaines, IL
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:07 pm Post subject: Westfalia shore power wiring diagram needed |
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Hi everyone, I am looking for the wiring diagram for a stock 90 westy camper. I tried searching google and this site and cannot find what I'm looking for, maybe my search terms are incorrect. I bought the van and the interior separate and I would like to know if I'm missing pieces. I have the breaker, the outlet above the breaker, then the wires and ground are chopped off about a foot later.
Does the Bentley manual have this info? If I knew it did, I will gladly purchase it. I just seem to be finding info on solar systems, second batteries, etc, but nothing on the AC side of things.
Thanks! _________________ 1965 Beetle
1990 Syncro Westfalia
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jacrider Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2014 Posts: 67 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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The shorepower unit would plug into one of the AC outlets and the 12V DC feeds from the charger would go to your battery/batteries. I think I would use the outlet that powers the stock fridge.
Is that what you are looking for? It is a fairly easy installation. |
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coastdog Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2012 Posts: 74
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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wish I had my Bentley with me to be sure and more clear for you, but as said it is a very simple system. It has only 2 outlet boxes, 1 for the fridge 110v to plug into under the sink, and 1 by the floor and bench seat and then the circuit breaker for the 110v system. From the back of the electrical camper hook up box you run regular 14-2 wire for wiring a house (1 blk, 1 white, 1 ground) to the outlet by the bench and floor. Then in parallel you wire that to both the circuit breaker below it and fridge outlet under the sink and behind the fridge. The ground wire from the 14-2 wire should be carried through afer connecting to the first outlet to the van body at the back of the small lower compartment. I think stock this was a green wire that either clamped or screwed to the metal rail at the back of the compartment where 2 body panels are welded together.
While you are at it, I changed the outlet under the sink from a 1 plug outlet (mine was that when I got it) to a 2 plug outlet and then plugged a small eliminator battery charger into it and tucked it under the small lower shelf in the sink cabinet (the shelf that sort of protects the sink drain pipe(not sure what else it`s for) There is a good deal of space under there (relative to total van space). Then I hooked the leads from the battery charger to my Aux battery system through a Blue Seas fuse panel I put in that same cabinet on its front wall. Then every time you hook up your van to 110v say to pre cool, the fridge, you automatically top charge you aux battery system. You can also run the charger to your starter battery or have a switching device that will switch the charger from your Aux system when it is fully charged to your starter battery.
Like I said I wish I had my manual and I`d snap a photo of the schematic so I could verify what I have said. I would certainly recommend the manual. that said depending on your interest and ability there may be lots of the Bentley that you will never reference and some parts leave a bit to be desired but I`d still recommend it.
I`m not sure what jacrider is referring to by shorepower unit or 12v DC feeds but what do I know. Get a Bentley for sure so you know you are doing it right. |
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16474 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Farf Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2009 Posts: 463 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:58 pm Post subject: Camper115V |
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coastdog Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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ah!... guess it goes to the CB first. |
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alijonny Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2007 Posts: 328 Location: Des Plaines, IL
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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This is the info I needed guys, I'm ordering the book tonight, thanks guys! _________________ 1965 Beetle
1990 Syncro Westfalia
1983 Westfalia |
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JudoJeff Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2013 Posts: 1179 Location: Near Springfield, MA
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:43 am Post subject: |
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You may want to skip the thermo-breaker, and just go to a GFCI outlet, then to the ref outlet. Would be easier wiring and safer. The GFCI's are available in a grey that's very close to the VW grey. My 2 cents.... I'd also use 14/3
edit: thank you Mark, not trying to mislead anyone. _________________ ________________________________________
1989 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Burned up on 7/31/16.
1987 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Bostig & Rebuilt, sold
1986 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Bostig Sold May 10, 2021
1999 Ford GTRV Westfalia camper (30% bigger Westy layout)
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9895 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:25 am Post subject: |
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This is a bad idea, unsafe. The breaker is needed. The GFCI outlet is intended to protect against a different threat. Use the GFCI outlet to supplement the breaker.
Mark
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You may want to skip the thermo-breaker, and just go to a GFCI outlet, then to the ref outlet. Would be easier wiring and safer. The GFCI's are available in a grey that's very close to the VW grey. My 2 cents.... I'd also use 14/3 |
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:51 am Post subject: |
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crazyvwvanman wrote: |
This is a bad idea, unsafe. The breaker is needed. The GFCI outlet is intended to protect against a different threat. Use the GFCI outlet to supplement the breaker.
Mark
JudoJeff wrote: |
You may want to skip the thermo-breaker, and just go to a GFCI outlet, then to the ref outlet. Would be easier wiring and safer. The GFCI's are available in a grey that's very close to the VW grey. My 2 cents.... I'd also use 14/3 |
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You need both. One monitors for difference in current between legs, the breaker for current overload, as well as providing a way to rapidly shut off. Consider using a marine double pole breaker which shuts off both hot and neutral wires, too. _________________ .ssS! |
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alijonny Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2007 Posts: 328 Location: Des Plaines, IL
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:00 am Post subject: |
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I plan to consult my electrician buddy when the job is complete so he can look over my work. This is one part of the van I don't want to get "zapped" on. lol. _________________ 1965 Beetle
1990 Syncro Westfalia
1983 Westfalia |
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia shore power wiring diagram needed |
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Is it ok to wire shore power ground to the van? _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10347 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia shore power wiring diagram needed |
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Team WorldTour wrote: |
Is it ok to wire shore power ground to the van? |
Yes. That's how it should be.
In OEM form, that "48" shown in diagram above is at vehicle sheet metal at LH side of the fridge; on an RV, motorhome etc., incoming shore power ground should be bonded to the vehicle frame. (body)
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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B.O.B.Wanders Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2014 Posts: 351 Location: Atlanta, GA USA
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Westfalia shore power wiring diagram needed |
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Here is the shore power wiring on my 83.5 Westy from when I was removing the cabinets for the dreaded rust repair on the kitchen wall. I had to move the grounding point slightly after the repair but basically just put it back as it was.
It's kind of hard to trace in the picture but the three-wire 110v wiring just goes from the exterior plug to the breaker box. From there, a green ground wire goes to the frame behind the cabinets. The wiring continues through the breaker box to the first outlet and then back around behind the fridge to the second outlet under the sink. (Both are standard duplex receptacles)
Note: The black (12VDC) wire from the front is a completely separate system even though in the picture it looks like it goes to outlet #1.
_________________ 83.5 WBX 2WD Assuan Brown Westy, B.O.B.
"It feels good to be lost in the right direction” - unknown |
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia shore power wiring diagram needed |
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I couldn't get my hands on any welding cable, but I've wired in my AUX battery using red and blue THICK stereo cable (the kind that powers the amp). Any objections? It's what I had on hand, and I'm hoping the Samba Engineers can tell me it will work for the HOUSE battery.
Cheers!
Nico _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia shore power wiring diagram needed |
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This is NOT going well!
I HATE Reimo!
I bought the interior used. It is designed to be fitted to a T3. However, EVERYTHING is just a little off. I mounted the grey water tank in the only position it would fit (under the van). I measured carefully (twice!) and drilled down to the tank, PERFECT, lined right up with the predrilled hole from the last guy.
When I moved the kitchen back into place, the hole was under the fridge, at the edge of the cabinet!
I'm also trying to mount a battery isolator (from GoWesty), only I have an old set-up (four posts) and all the instructions from GW show and mention a three post isolator!
My van already has a relay under the drivers seat, but only three wires plugged into it. Oh, and I have to figure out the kitchen wiring to boot (NO help from Reimo!).
Ok, chill Nico. I still have two weeks to figure it all out, get it installed, and function checked.
Lets hope I don't let the smoke out...... _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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koubiak Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2019 Posts: 39 Location: CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Westfalia shore power wiring diagram needed |
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Hi
I am having ground resistance on my electrical. I am trying to locate the 48 ground connect left hand behind the fridge (I have an 84)
Is it suppose to be the one you have in picture? When take a quick look I see one cable going from there in my van to the 110v breaker.
In my van the ground that connect the fridge also connect the pump. That cable then goes into an harness and I have not yet been able to track it... So a little help |
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2558 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Westfalia shore power wiring diagram needed |
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there is a ground wire (bright green) that connects to the chassis (straight down from the tank hookup port). that ground connects the chassis to the city electric ground so the Vanagon is not floating. in my 91 the chassis ground is tied to the city wiring at the circuit breaker. _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL Camper
i had no idea i wanted to be a mechanic
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koubiak Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2019 Posts: 39 Location: CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: Westfalia shore power wiring diagram needed |
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Ok I will try to dig there then! Will get back to y'all when I get it back from the bodyshop. |
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