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Deaffy Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2003 Posts: 196 Location: Central Cal Coast
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:25 pm Post subject: Powder coat or paint wheels? |
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I have a semi-beater van that is last in the attention hierarchy as far as cosmetics go. But, I'm thinking about refinishing the wheels on it.
I've seen the argent silver wheel paint in the catalogs, but I'm also toying with the idea of having them powdercoated silver. I figure I can always switch with another van if they come out really well.
Any idea of what prices are per-wheel for powder coating? I would imagine they'd need a good blasting too- is that normally included in the price?
Or, am I better off just getting as much crud off the wheels myself and using the paint in the can alternative?
TIA ... |
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gstone Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2003 Posts: 117 Location: Nashport OH
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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You could expect at least $50 per rim for sandblasting and powdercoating. Painting would be cheaper, but not as durable. If you want them to look good and stay that way powdercoating is the way to go. |
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pinchcliffe Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 42 Location: Norway
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Powder will clog up in sharp edges and creases due to magnetic disturbances during the powdercoating process. |
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volksaddict Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2003 Posts: 1724
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 6:28 am Post subject: |
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My wheels are round, they don't have any sharp edges |
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ekimthemad Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2002 Posts: 600 Location: ohio
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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If they are on a beater and are steel wheels I probably wouldn't recommend spending the money. The steel wheels are practically impossible to get the crack completely clean between the face and the rim. If powder coated steel wheels are driven in the slop on a regular basis eventually they will rust. I would get them blasted as clean as possible, deburr any sharp edges and then spray them with the spray can. If you decide at some point later on you want them to look nice you just pop the tires and get them powder coated.
Mike
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pinchcliffe Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 42 Location: Norway
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Many rims have a deep crease just between the band and the...er...rim side, or what the heck it's called. This is where the powder tends to clog up. |
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ekimthemad Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2002 Posts: 600 Location: ohio
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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pinchcliffe wrote: |
Many rims have a deep crease just between the band and the...er...rim side, or what the heck it's called. This is where the powder tends to clog up. |
Yeah that's basically what I was refering to but it can be minimized by doing several things. The most important is to preheat the wheel before it is sprayed. If the coater is trying to coat a set of steel wheels with the wheel cold the crack will be rusting in hardly any time. Especially around here in Ohio. The other thing that will help to reduce that problem of "clogging up" is to run a fan tip on the gun instead of the tulip tip. That clogging up is caused by what is called the faraday cage effect which tends to pull the negatively charged powder particle to one side or the other but won't allow it down into the crack of the positively grounded part. Its a lot like trying to put the armature into the can on a permanent magnet DC motor.
Mike
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mjhayes Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2003 Posts: 3 Location: Dallas
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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I had a set of wheels powder coated and afterwards I had trouble keeping the lug nuts tight. Maybe because of lack of friction? I sold them and went chrome.
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ekimthemad Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2002 Posts: 600 Location: ohio
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:28 am Post subject: |
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mjhayes wrote: |
I had a set of wheels powder coated and afterwards I had trouble keeping the lug nuts tight. Maybe because of lack of friction? I sold them and went chrome.
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That's odd considering nearly every wheel from all the automakers made after 1987 had powder on them. I highly doubt it was the powder coating. _________________ Remember never argue with a moron. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with a lifetime's worth of experince. |
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klepic Samba Member
Joined: February 05, 2004 Posts: 61 Location: Snohomish, WA
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:39 am Post subject: |
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FYI - Argent Silver is being offered by Eastwood in both spray and powder. In my opinion, if they are great shape steelies and you intend on keeping them, go with powder. If they are just a transitional wheel, spray them and save your pennies for the wheels you really want. The crack/rust problem mentioned will always be an issue either way you go. It's just nearly impossible to get everything out of that crack. Although I would expect a professionl powder coater to be able to get as good as you could do with spray.
If you do spray them, pick up a can of acid etch primer before you spray. This will provide some "bite" into the crack and prevent the rust from occuring as rapidily as it would with "plain" primer.
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59 vw guy Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2002 Posts: 969 Location: Oklahoma
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Hey guys a good powder coater can get it in all the cracks i just had all my tin done and looks great my buddy did his whole suspension and now his whole chassis is being done they can get the stuff in any crevis you want...chris |
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Aerohead Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 85 Location: St. Louis, Mo
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Can you use a phosphoric acid-based metal prep under poweder coat? Would this be a good way to clear out any rust left down in the wheel cracks after blasting? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76940 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:35 am Post subject: |
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There's nothing as durable as powder paint.
mjhayes wrote: |
I had a set of wheels powder coated and afterwards I had trouble keeping the lug nuts tight. Maybe because of lack of friction? I sold them and went chrome.
Mike |
You could of used a scotchbrite pad and scuffed the seating surface on the wheel. Then you would of been able to keep your wheels. _________________ Glenn
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Jowlz The Anti-Purist
Joined: May 02, 2005 Posts: 2464 Location: Tunkhannock, PA
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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There has been of debate over powder coating on the racing forums I go to. Some people claim that they can't get the lugs to stay tight on powder coated rims. Some people have never had a problem with powder coated rims. The solution is to scuff the powder coat up where the lug nuts make contact. _________________ The honey-do list put my project on hold....... |
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hlwimmer Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2002 Posts: 533 Location: concord, calif.
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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i like my powder coated wheels...
they were about $65 each, which included blasting/cleaning... |
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Dub Owner Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2005 Posts: 351
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Where do i get paint for my Rabbit wheels? |
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CarreraRS2.7 Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2005 Posts: 688 Location: Woodstock, GA
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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I painted the steelies on my Accord about a year ago. I cleaned them up real good with steel wool and sandpaper. Then I sprayed several coats of gray primer. Next I sprayed severay coats of silver wheel paint. Finally lots of clear coat. I bought everything at PepBoys (any auto parts place will do). They came out great and looked like brand new silver wheels. A year later they still look good with no chips or scratches. _________________ If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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bljones Resident Wit
Joined: February 08, 2002 Posts: 2377 Location: ontario canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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59 vw guy wrote: |
a good powder coater can get it in all the cracks. |
That right there is a t-shirt waiting to happen. _________________ OG JHC
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harryset Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2005 Posts: 690 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: |
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bljones wrote: |
59 vw guy wrote: |
a good powder coater can get it in all the cracks. |
That right there is a t-shirt waiting to happen. |
Yesssss! And I gotta have one. |
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fluxcap Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2006 Posts: 1969 Location: Newnan GA
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Well, since this old thread has been brought back to life, I have a question.
Can you powdercoat a rim two tone? Or would you have to powder the whole thing, and then paint the other color?
Thanks
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