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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:02 am Post subject: oil fill cap,autostick, VENTED.?? |
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Been a while, isn't autostick oil fill cap vented? Vent hole in metal sect of cap? |
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mouser98 Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2012 Posts: 300 Location: Lugoff, SC
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:16 am Post subject: |
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I don't think mine is. But the oil box is vented to the air filter. |
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8700 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:46 am Post subject: |
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mouser98 wrote: |
I don't think mine is. But the oil box is vented to the air filter. |
AUTOSTICK TRANS, trans fill cap. |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:49 am Post subject: |
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The autostick ATF cap is not vented, looks like this
_________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:49 am Post subject: |
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mouser98 wrote: |
I don't think mine is. But the oil box is vented to the air filter. |
ATF tank, not charcoal canister. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Thanks , been awhile i thought the old cork gasket in mine was enuf. |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:00 am Post subject: |
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The ATF system in the bug is a completely sealed system.
The ATF fluid flows from the ATF tank, through a metal pipe to the hybrid oil/. ATF pump, then up vertically through a pipe from the pump, into a rubber hose, through the engine bay and firewall, to the torque converter bell housing. The hoses are attached to the bell housing on the right (passenger) side of the housing, and the ATF runs through little "ribbed" tunnels in the bell housing seen here:
It runs through the upper tunnel to the torque converter, then back through the lower tunnel to the lower hose connection. From there that hose is connected back to the ATF tank filler neck.
AFAIK it is a complete close-looped system, there are no vents, no valves or anything. The manual specifically states to simply check the level at each oil change and to top off if necessary. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor
Last edited by sb001 on Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:09 am; edited 1 time in total |
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mouser98 Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2012 Posts: 300 Location: Lugoff, SC
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:06 am Post subject: |
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sb001 wrote: |
mouser98 wrote: |
I don't think mine is. But the oil box is vented to the air filter. |
ATF tank, not charcoal canister. |
there is a pressure relief valve in the pump. but yeah, the cork gasket is plenty. all that cap does is keep ATF from sloshing out of the tank into your engine bay. |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:11 am Post subject: |
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mouser98 wrote: |
there is a pressure relief valve in the pump. |
Oh? My mistake then--good to know.
Sorry for the misinformation _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Been awhile but if trans removed are hose conn AT trans easily reversed, if so i don't see it being a problem if reversed ?? Person I'm talking to says (?) he thinks converter is overheating trans oil, building up pressure in sys, &converter starts slipping & out of/low of oil?? I really don't go along with this as i explained stall test (done??) also measure oil temp. Supposed to happen in a few mi,20 or less. Owned & worked on them were all normal. English is poor, hard to understand, maybe not understanding me either. |
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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morymob wrote: |
Been awhile but if trans removed are hose conn AT trans easily reversed, if so i don't see it being a problem if reversed ?? Person I'm talking to says (?) he thinks converter is overheating trans oil, building up pressure in sys, &converter starts slipping & out of/low of oil?? I really don't go along with this as i explained stall test (done??) also measure oil temp. Supposed to happen in a few mi,20 or less. Owned & worked on them were all normal. English is poor, hard to understand, maybe not understanding me either. |
Your'e talking to the same guy I am (pablo.) I have no idea what caused his ATF fluid to overheat, which is why he was asking if the system is supposed to be vented. I agree there is something else wrong.
I also agree it wouldn't really matter too much if the hoses at the bell housing connections were accidentally reversed. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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Joel Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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He pm'd me too, the spring popping out of his seal seems to be the initial cause of all the problems that followed _________________ Quick little bug, you got a Porsche motor in that?
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pablovent Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2010 Posts: 900 Location: Chile
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Hi;
Just saw this posted, I prefer to continue communicating with you over here, this way is a record of my problem, maybe is good for others in the future, also work to translate will be lower for both ....
My next step is to install everything again, measure ATF temperature and pressure to control and identify the problem, will review the regulation of servo rod, likewise will review all ATF lines with compressed air before installing. I will use the best quality of ATF DEXRON available.
I guess to put the new bushing in the converter , the converter was not internal damaged.
The correct way to drive these cars is to use 1 position in slow city traffic and 2 position single road, the idea is to keep the system cool.
I welcome your comments ....and thank you all.... |
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pablovent Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Splines fine or worn?? |
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pablovent Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:23 am Post subject: |
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My ATF system not vented!!....European version ATF tank cap and dipstick... |
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:40 am Post subject: |
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pablovent wrote: |
My ATF system not vented!!....European version ATF tank cap and dipstick... |
This picture seems to show a leaky connection between the filler neck tube and the ATF tank... double check that make sure you don't have a leak there.
Otherwise everything looks good to me.. just reinstall the torque converter seal with spring properly mounted, put everything back together and try again _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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morymob Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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In your pic it's vented thru dipstick tube1st time i saw that style, the way light is reflecting i can't tell how the converter teeth r really shaped. R u installing converter to trans 1st then install eng, u bolt thru large slot on side of trans housing, if u attach converter to eng 1st probably why seal spring got knocked out. |
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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morymob wrote: |
In your pic it's vented thru dipstick tube1st time i saw that style, the way light is reflecting i can't tell how the converter teeth r really shaped. R u installing converter to trans 1st then install eng, u bolt thru large slot on side of trans housing, if u attach converter to eng 1st probably why seal spring got knocked out. |
That is weird I've never seen a vented system like that before either, wonder why (hotter climate?) _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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pablovent Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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sb001 wrote: |
morymob wrote: |
In your pic it's vented thru dipstick tube1st time i saw that style, the way light is reflecting i can't tell how the converter teeth r really shaped. R u installing converter to trans 1st then install eng, u bolt thru large slot on side of trans housing, if u attach converter to eng 1st probably why seal spring got knocked out. |
That is weird I've never seen a vented system like that before either, wonder why (hotter climate?) |
IMO, I think for colder climate where the need to fill is less, or maybe USA requirement enhance the width of the entrance and type of cap.
I think the few autosticks admitted to my country were imported directly from Germany, only for people with disabilities. |
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