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Cusser
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1. Does the engine spin the engine at the right speed or not? Important.
2. Spark plug wires can be in the correct rotational order but can still be off by 90 degrees, 180 degrees etc. Do you know how to set the engine to TDC #1 using the crankshaft pulley AND the #1 cylinder valve positions and then look to see if #1 spark plug wire sits directly above where the distributor rotor is pointing?
I'm afraid fixing this would be an under-15 minute exercise for an experienced VW guy.
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apihor
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If the engine is turning over you have a good connection to the battery. I've attached a picture of the voltage regulator wiring. Also, ensure your points are gapped to 0.16in. Even if the votlage regulator was bad, it shouldn't prevent you from starting the engine. Also, check the coil with the key forward and make sure you have 12 volts. Last but not least, what year is your bug?
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the engine does not turn over, i am not getting any power to any of my lights, also it is a 1972 standard bug . |
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apihor
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| Cusser wrote: |
1. Does the engine spin the engine at the right speed or not? Important.
2. Spark plug wires can be in the correct rotational order but can still be off by 90 degrees, 180 degrees etc. Do you know how to set the engine to TDC #1 using the crankshaft pulley AND the #1 cylinder valve positions and then look to see if #1 spark plug wire sits directly above where the distributor rotor is pointing?
I'm afraid fixing this would be an under-15 minute exercise for an experienced VW guy. |
i am not getting any type of power and it wont turn over. i believe now that my positive is bad. also this is my first bug ever. never had one or worked on one till now. it has always been a dream of mine to finally own one! |
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apihor
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tail lights, dash lights without key on
gen and oil light with key on
dome light with door open, key on or off |
not getting any lights |
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volkswagen_bug
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What is the voltage of the battery? Also, make sure you have good connections to include grounds.
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apihor
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| What is the voltage of the battery? Also, make sure you have good connections to include grounds. |
not to sure wha the voltage is, i bought it a Autozone , i just orders new cords. my ground looks kind of bad. |
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volkswagen_bug
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Don't take this as being rude, but you're not answering any of our questions. Instead you're throwing parts at your bug in hopes it will start to work. Let me know if you need my help after you buy a voltage meter and check the wiring.
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apihor
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| volkswagen_bug wrote: |
| Don't take this as being rude, but you're not answering any of our questions. Instead you're throwing parts at your bug in hopes it will start to work. Let me know if you need my help after you buy a voltage meter and check the wiring. |
im not, i will test my voltage and update what it is! thanks |
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Bashr52
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| Let's start simple, did you check all the fuses? |
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apihor
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| Don't take this as being rude, but you're not answering any of our questions. Instead you're throwing parts at your bug in hopes it will start to work. Let me know if you need my help after you buy a voltage meter and check the wiring. |
im not, i will test my voltage and update what it is! thanks |
i tested my voltage on the batt. and it was 12.52. still will not turn on |
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volkswagen_bug
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| volkswagen_bug wrote: |
| Don't take this as being rude, but you're not answering any of our questions. Instead you're throwing parts at your bug in hopes it will start to work. Let me know if you need my help after you buy a voltage meter and check the wiring. |
im not, i will test my voltage and update what it is! thanks |
i tested my voltage on the batt. and it was 12.52. still will not turn on |
The battery voltage is good. Did you do what Bashr52 suggested?
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sb001
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Assuming all stock wiring and still connected the correct way at the fuse box (which I know is a HUGE assumption), blown fuses should not keep the car from starting nor the oil/generator dash lights from lighting up upon turning the key.
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sb001
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To the OP, can you please post pictures of your battery and your voltage regulator under the rear seat? I still say the problem lies here somewhere- either your battery connections aren't tight or the lead from your positive battery terminal over to your voltage regulator is loose or broken.
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apihor
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| To the OP, can you please post pictures of your battery and your voltage regulator under the rear seat? I still say the problem lies here somewhere- either your battery connections aren't tight or the lead from your positive battery terminal over to your voltage regulator is loose or broken. |
I will do. as soon as I get home from work |
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apihor
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| To the OP, can you please post pictures of your battery and your voltage regulator under the rear seat? I still say the problem lies here somewhere- either your battery connections aren't tight or the lead from your positive battery terminal over to your voltage regulator is loose or broken. |
I will do. as soon as I get home from work |
here is the photo guys sorry for the late post been busy at work
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apihor
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| sb001 wrote: |
| To the OP, can you please post pictures of your battery and your voltage regulator under the rear seat? I still say the problem lies here somewhere- either your battery connections aren't tight or the lead from your positive battery terminal over to your voltage regulator is loose or broken. |
I will do. as soon as I get home from work |
here is the photo guys sorry for the late post been busy at work
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sb001
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OK let's start with this simple test first: Do you get headlights when you pull the switch (even without the key in the ignition?) If yes, then we can rule out bad wiring or connections pretty much all the way up to the ignition switch, since the headlights should work straight off battery power.
If NO, then try the following steps in this order:
1. Check that red/white wire coming off the positive battery terminal in your picture above-- make sure it goes to the "B+" terminal on the voltage regulator over on the drivers side under the rear seat. And there should be another red wire coming off that same B+ terminal that runs up toward the front of the car.
2. Go to your fuse box up front and look at the #9 fuse, from inside the trunk. (It will be the 9th fuse from the RIGHT looking at the fuse block from this angle.) I want you to check and see if there is a thick red wire coming into that fuse, and if so which SIDE of the fuse does it come into. You want to make sure that it comes into the UNFUSED side of that fuse; that is, it needs to come into the same side that you see a metal "jumper" strap over to the fuses next to it. (In your year model, this should be the side of the fuse block closest to the front of the car.) If it is on the wrong side of that fuse then swap it.
3. Now check the red wire coming off the #8 fuse right next to it-- it should come off the same side of the fuse block, the side closest to the front of the car (where that metal "jumper" strap connects to.) This is the wire that goes to the ignition switch. Again if it is on the wrong side of the fuse then swap it.
4. If all this looks good, and you now have headlights but still nothing else (no dash lights, no engine crank, nothing) when you turn the key, then I'm going to chalk this up to a faulty ignition switch-- when you turn the key power is not flowing through the switch to the wiring that ultimately provides power to the ignition coil and all the electrics.
But please try these steps first and hopefully that will narrow it down.
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ashman40
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One correction to the above...
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| OK let's start with this simple test first: Do you get headlights when you pull the switch (even without the key in the ignition?) |
Substitute "parking lights" for "headlights" above.
In '72 the headlights were powered by the "X" circuit from the ignition switch. This means the headlights will only work while the ignition switch is in the ON position. Pre-'71, the headlights were powered directly from the battery so would work with or without the ignition switch being ON.
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apihor
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| OK let's start with this simple test first: Do you get headlights when you pull the switch ........... |
thanks i will try all of the above. i will try to post more photo or possible video! thanks everyone on helping me try to figure this out.. this my first bug ever i am still very new!  |
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apihor
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| sb001 wrote: |
| OK let's start with this simple test first: Do you get headlights when you pull the switch ........... |
thanks i will try all of the above. i will try to post more photo or possible video! thanks everyone on helping me try to figure this out.. this my first bug ever i am still very new! |
So I removed my carpet and I find out that 90% of my wires were "mickey mouse" just bad. I think I need a whole new wire loom. or if there is anyone located in Corona, CA or near there can help me fix it! that would me Great, ill even buy them lunch and beer!  |
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