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Terry Kay
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Another thought having no place or way of welding a nut on there--
Drill & tap the plug with a left handed tap 5/16's should do it.
Run a left handed grade 8- 5/16's bolt in the tapped hole.
It should back out as you tighten it up, wouldn't hurt heating up around the plug a little--
This would be about the simplest after and beyond welding the nut on the damaged plug.
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Update...
Got in touch with the only vanagon rescue squad guy in Mississippi. He made a house call this afternoon...he had the same issues I had. His diagnosis...some quick lube place got a hold of it and when they put it back in they stripped it out. When they realized what they did they used some jb weld to plug it back up. He's seen it happened before.
Taking it to his shop next week and he's gonna see if drilling it out is possible. It's fun talking to the guy...he laughed atmy note taking.
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Thebeas
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Quick Update...
Haven't been able to make it to the shop yet. I decided I want to tackle this thing myself.
Gonna try the easy our method, again...its like my nemesis at this point.
Do I drill the pilot hole completely thru the stripped bolt? Seems like that would be the right thing, but didn't know about the metal shavings. I guess since the pan is full of oil they should come out as soon as the hole is drilled?
Also about the applying heat part. We talking heat gun, or torch?
thanks in advance.
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I would recommend having the shop help you. If you drill slightly off center or not square and are not able to extract the plug, it will make it even more difficult for the person that ends up trying to fix it. Heat is from a oxy/cetalyne torch, not a propane torch. If you drill it through and can't get it out, you won't be able to drive it anywhere.
For catching metal shavings, you can put wheel bearing grease on the drill bit and tap. A magnet will help with clean up.
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And then when you get the socket kit and it still continues to just strip??? This is frustrating
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that's when you use a left hand drill bit set, a torch, EDM, replace the part, the vehicle, etc.
Next Time:
smack the thing with a steel hammer straight on before attempting removal
if it looks or feels bad - hose it down with Kroil, tap with a steel hammer & repeat that every hour for a couple of days, only then try removal
and... even propane works sometimes - worth a try if you are not a welder |
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I always drill completely through the fastener when planning to use an Easy Out, that way the Easy Out can't bottom out in the hole and if it does break off you can use a punch and drive it through. Having to drill out a broken off Easy Out is about as bad of a PITA job as one can do.  |
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Seriously, if you don't have the skills,tools or resources at home, I advise taking it to the shop.
If you attempt the repair and fail, you may have a tow bill, have made the job exponentially harder and it is now to be done as it MUST be done NOW rather than on your current schedule of convenience.
It is real easy to not get the center of the threaded stud, especially with a buggered bolt head like you have. You miss center, drill too big, whatever and you could ruin your case, or at best create a lot of work making repairs.
I favor the welded nut approach. It will give solid leverage and the heat will help convince the JB Weld to let go.
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I got the tools....the skills, maybe one day 
you guys have officially talked me out of it. back to the shop I reckon.
might move on to this box of fresh window seals I have stashed away.
thanks folks.
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| Time to take it to the shop. |
^^ Yeah, this ^^
This is not an expensive thing for a competent shop to do, but the cost will rise rapidly of you break an EZ-Out in there.
If you go to a shop - take a replacement plug and 5 quarts of oil with you. |
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now that is settled - has it ever been to a Quickie Lube place?
if not, then who did this? |
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now that is settled - has it ever been to a Quickie Lube place?
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No idea, I've had it for a little over a month. The one vanagon rescue squad guy within about 200 miles is the guy in taking it too.
He said he's seen this before...quick lube place changes oil, over tightens plug, then uses jb weld to secure it back in. Guess they hope/assume you never come back?
The other time he's seen it he said the place changed the oil once, then said they weren't "equipped" to handle a vanagon the second time that owner came back.
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Problems with stripped drain plugs didn't start with quicklube type places, the problem has pretty much have been around since the first person replaced a drain plug. DIY, dealer mechanics, quicklubes, greasy sams, they all strip drain plugs.
I have heard that the original WWII army jeeps didn't have drain plugs, partly to prevent sabotage and partly to prevent army mechanics from stripping out the drain plugs and thus taking a much needed vehicle out of service. |
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Terry Kay
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"quick lube place changes oil, over tightens plug, then uses jb weld to secure it back in."
Don't worry, I highly doubt this happened.
Any fool that stripped the plug wouldn't have the brains to wait till ALL of the oil vacated the drain pan, & wouldn't have the time to dry out the threads well enough so the JB weld would stick--
IF you did have JB weld in them threads the heat of welding that nut on the screwed up head of that plug to spin it out would have broken the JB weld bond almost instantly--
Keep screwing around with this--trying to get it out some cobby way--you'll have the drain hole all messed up. and totally unusable--you'll be buying a new block here pretty soon in the process of digging it out.
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I like the idea to drive an undersized 6 point socket on to it with a hammer, works every time.
Before removing it I would get an extended oil plug from Paul at PMW in Carmel ,I have used abunch of those and highly recommend them. They have a nice fresh head and extend way up into the unused threads in the case.
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not if you warn them first, i had a free oil change coupon, at a sears or jiffy lube type place, i told them if the over tightend the bung it would cost them an engine, i told them 22 ftlbs, the tech came out and asked again to be sure 
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"quick lube place changes oil, over tightens plug, then uses jb weld to secure it back in."
Don't worry, I highly doubt this happened.
Any fool that stripped the plug wouldn't have the brains to wait till ALL of the oil vacated the drain pan, & wouldn't have the time to dry out the threads well enough so the JB weld would stick--
IF you did have JB weld in them threads the heat of welding that nut on the screwed up head of that plug to spin it out would have broken the JB weld bond almost instantly--
Keep screwing around with this--trying to get it out some cobby way--you'll have the drain hole all messed up. and totally unusable--you'll be buying a new block here pretty soon in the process of digging it out. |
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Terry Kay
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And here's the problems.
First off, how many folks would actually do such a thing?
If they were all that smart, they'd be changing their own oil and avoiding having to tell anybody anything.
And they for sure aren't as sharp as a tack by being at the the jiffy circus in the first place.
They can't change oil & get the plug back in properly, you think for one minute they could get the plug JB welded into the oil drain hole the right way too??
Please.
I'm still LMAO at this goofy thought-- 
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Stacey meant John at GMW in Pacific Grove, Ca
I have longer plugs, if you get the old one out.
They work better than original, I use it on customers cars and Staceys
pm me
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