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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:56 pm    Post subject: Spark Plug Wires Reply with quote

I know this has been discussed before...but seriously in short form who makes the best spark plug wires for our beloved bus these days? Time for new ones.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bosch(good) PVL(good/ok)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/Super-Mag-8-5mm-Plug-Wire-Set-Type-4-Engines-p/a-95537.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just buy the Bosch. $55 at autohausaz I think
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good....Bus Depot sells some set they claim to be a better build than the Bosch which they claim is all Mexico made....

http://www.busdepot.com/021998031a
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

outrun1984 wrote:
Sounds good....Bus Depot sells some set they claim to be a better build than the Bosch which they claim is all Mexico made....

http://www.busdepot.com/021998031a


Oh, you don't want the best of the best of the best.
I purchased a set of the above
Mnfd. correct
materials where good
fit was good
I would buy them again.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the connectors on the bosch are fragile and thin compared to the other set BusDepot sells. The bosch, while excellent cables also have very soft insulation. If you try to gentle push it into an old plastic retainer it may tear. I ruined a new set this way then had to play go fish for one of the connectors that broke in 2 pieces when a button on my shirt snagged a wire. While my fault, it was sure a surprise when brushing a wire breaks the end of a connector and I have to pull the motor and tear the tin apart to get the piece out that fell down into the fins. The other model from Bus Depot has much better connectors - also the seals for the air shroud fit better than the bosch. The bosch ones barely covered the holes and were so thin they kept falling inside creating a leak unless they were ultra-carefully positioned.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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they list plugs and oxygen sensors but no wire sets for VW's that old.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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udidwht wrote:
NGK


they list plugs and oxygen sensors but no wire sets for VW's that old.


Try these...

http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/main.htm

or

http://www.pelicanparts.com/BMW/catalog/shopcart/9144/POR_9144_ELignt_pg4.htm#item22

or

Clewett wires

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/images/ignition/CE-9192-35-B.jpg
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... The bosch ones barely covered the holes and were so thin they kept falling inside creating a leak ...


IIRC the part that covers the hole in the tin used to have lips and fit in the hole, one lip inside and one outside. Some/most newer wires do not have lips. Isn't it better to have the lipless type inside the hole and the fan air pushes them against the tin to make a seal?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All very valid points guys! I do like the idea of a stronger coupler and wire. I may try the ones from Bus Depot...the price is right. I have noticed the Bosch wires in the bus now...which I did 5 years ago....do not fit the holes in the tins very well.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to use Taylor wires for several reasons...

10.4 mm silicone jacketed wires
8mm core
spark plug boots vulcanized onto wire ends

They are available here in the classifieds for about $40.00.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Powell wrote:
SGKent wrote:
... The bosch ones barely covered the holes and were so thin they kept falling inside creating a leak ...


IIRC the part that covers the hole in the tin used to have lips and fit in the hole, one lip inside and one outside. Some/most newer wires do not have lips. Isn't it better to have the lipless type inside the hole and the fan air pushes them against the tin to make a seal?

Aloha
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I find they (lipless type) will fit well if you slide them away from the tin first then adjust them down accordingly until they are fit against the tin. You may have to slide one side down further than the other.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes....NGK make plug wires...very good ones.

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/products/wire_sets/index.asp?mode=nml

About 10-12 years ago they were all I used. If you look at the link I posted it has a cross section diagram. They used to make a set whose construction was virtually identical with the ferrite layer and the outer coil winding which makes excellent noise suppression....but had a solid wire core. Very nice.

These are their solid copper wire core racing wires....noot quite the same thing but very nicely made

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/products/performance/racing_wires.asp?mode=nml

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1775437

Shameless 'plug' on a good set of known used wires
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

udidwht wrote:
Tom Powell wrote:
SGKent wrote:
... The bosch ones barely covered the holes and were so thin they kept falling inside creating a leak ...


IIRC the part that covers the hole in the tin used to have lips and fit in the hole, one lip inside and one outside. Some/most newer wires do not have lips. Isn't it better to have the lipless type inside the hole and the fan air pushes them against the tin to make a seal?

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I find they (lipless type) will fit well if you slide them away from the tin first then adjust them down accordingly until they are fit against the tin. You may have to slide one side down further than the other.


Sometimes, in packaging, the seals get bent out of shape and do not fit well against the flat hole in the tin. The last time I changed plug wires I slid the lipless wires down and through the hole and then pulled them back up against the tin. My rational was they would seal better with fan air pushing against them rather than fan air blowing the seal open.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SGKent wrote:
udidwht wrote:
NGK


they list plugs and oxygen sensors but no wire sets for VW's that old.


Just to update:

NGK Wires - RC-VWC020
Stock# 57403

Also...

Denso - 671-4094 (Made in Germany)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: Spark Plug Wires Reply with quote

good to know, Thank You

I got some "on sale" special Bosh wires, they kept getting blown off the plugs

got some 7mm solid core wires with the hard ends and they seem to work much better, had to reuse the coil wire the one in the new set was too short
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: Spark Plug Wires Reply with quote

I use the Belden brand from NAPA auto parts on my 71 upright engine. Not sure if they have a Belden set for type 4 but napa does offer the NGK set. Check with your local NAPA to see.

NGK type 4 set.
https://www.napaonline.com/en/search?text=plug%20wires&referer=v2

Type 1 & 2 Belden/NAPA set.
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BEL700176?impressionRank=1
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