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Motor60 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 3:09 am Post subject: Hurst Shifter |
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I have a Hurst Shifter that I used for a 65 Bug. It worked awesome. I took it off and installed it on my 70 Bug. The shifter goes into reverse gear without having to use the trigger. I have to "find" first gear. Anyone know how to fix this? or is this shifter not made to be installed on later bugs??? |
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houseofboyd Samba Member
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2379 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:18 am Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter |
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Motor60 wrote: |
I have a Hurst Shifter that I used for a 65 Bug. It worked awesome. I took it off and installed it on my 70 Bug. The shifter goes into reverse gear without having to use the trigger. I have to "find" first gear. Anyone know how to fix this? or is this shifter not made to be installed on later bugs??? |
What is the condition of the shifter rod bushing in the 70 bug? _________________ Parts for sale https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=APPLEGREENVW
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Motor60 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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I replaced the bushing when I bought the bug. And I'm not using any plate like empi style. I think the hurst already has a plate pre-installed. I didn't use a plate when I had it on my 65. It almost seems like the shift rod is maybe out of adjustment but it only goes back in one way after changing bushing. And the block bushing is fine. No play.
There is lil to no adjustment when I loosen bolts at base of shifter. The holes are smaller than the stock shifter. Is there an internal adjustment in the shifter? |
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rockerarm Samba Member
Joined: December 16, 2009 Posts: 3552 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Hi. If your shifter worked without issue in the previous car but same shifter does not work in the later car, one might rule out the shifter. When using a shifter that has a "tighter pattern" I believe the shift bushing and the coupling need to be in top shape. This may also go for the front trans mount. I have seen shift rods that have been cut and welded so please factor this in. If you are close to be then pm me and maybe two heads together are better than two heads separately.
Hope this helps, Bill. |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17273 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 12:10 am Post subject: |
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rockerarm wrote: |
Hi. If your shifter worked without issue in the previous car but same shifter does not work in the later car, one might rule out the shifter. When using a shifter that has a "tighter pattern" I believe the shift bushing and the coupling need to be in top shape.. |
I thin this is his problem too.
My car worked perfectly with all the 4 speeds I had in it. Worked with several shifters. Then I put a Berg 5 in it and couldn't get all the gears all the time. Since I custom modifed a Hurst to work with the 5 speed, I was concentrating on that as the culprit. It ended up being the shift rod bushing inside the tunnel. Changed that, everything works perfectly now. _________________
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..... a steering wheel made from a mastadon tusk..... |
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Motor60 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Was there a hurst shifter made for EARLY and LATE model bugs? I don't know if there's a difference. Like the scat drag fast. They have shifter for early models and different shifter for late models |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2379 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Motor60 wrote: |
Was there a hurst shifter made for EARLY and LATE model bugs? I don't know if there's a difference. Like the scat drag fast. They have shifter for early models and different shifter for late models |
Post a photo of your Hurst shifter. _________________ Parts for sale https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=APPLEGREENVW
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 1:14 am Post subject: |
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Motor60 wrote: |
Was there a hurst shifter made for EARLY and LATE model bugs? |
There were, but the difference is all above the mechanism. Early is curved, late is straight.
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Motor60 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Mine has a curve. So it must be made for early bugs. Any input? |
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69 Jim Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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I prefer the curved in late models, works well with my height and clears everything... |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
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Motor60 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:21 am Post subject: |
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How did you get yours to work on late model bug? Mine goes in reverse without lifting trigger. Like there's too much movement. Could the rear shift coupling be installed wrong? Couplings are in good shape. When I pull the trigger, shifter will not move all way to left cuz trans rod will not go that far. Because it's already far enough to go in reverse. Am I doing anything wrong? |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Motor60 wrote: |
How did you get yours to work on late model bug? Mine goes in reverse without lifting trigger. Like there's too much movement. Could the rear shift coupling be installed wrong? Couplings are in good shape. When I pull the trigger, shifter will not move all way to left cuz trans rod will not go that far. Because it's already far enough to go in reverse. Am I doing anything wrong? |
Try putting a spacer between the shifter and the tunnel. Like the one in the photo.
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Here is the original Hurst instructions:
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
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Motor60 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:12 am Post subject: |
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What is the difference between an early and late shifter? Besides the bend? Does it have anything to do that I have an early type shifter on a late model bug???? |
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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The early one is curved, the late one is straight. However, the curved one fits all cars better. Then Hurst realized that and made them all curved to the end of production.
Another difference is the thickness of the top nylon block. They saw the thin block used on the bottom was too weak for the top, so they made the top block different (thicker) to make it stronger. _________________
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Motor60 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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But what does that have anything to do with shifter not working properly on a 1970 bug? I really want to use this shifter, and not go chinese |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Motor60 wrote: |
But what does that have anything to do with shifter not working properly on a 1970 bug? I really want to use this shifter, and not go chinese |
Try installing your Hurst shifter in someone else, 70 & up bug,thing,ghia? _________________ Parts for sale https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=APPLEGREENVW
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