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Xevin 
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 Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:57 am Post subject: Front Door seals. Which ones? |
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I know this has been discussed many times. A lot of info is dated. Would like a current opinion on which ones and retailer to purchase from. I will be buying German. This much I know. Seems to be a lot of conflicting opinions on which German ones to use. So any updated info, part numbers, and pics would be great. Again, I've read just about all threads on this topic. Thank you. I have A 72 Campmobile.
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Bus Depot jobs are muliple pieces stuck together with 3M or some other rubber adhesive. they start tearing at these joints and then you have holes that let water in, especially in the corner above the vent window. I have a small hole formed here which lets a good amount of water in the cabin when it rains. FunFun...but you get the molded corners! The cheap Brazilian one without the molded corers is a bitch to install but I haven't had them start tearing apart yet after almost 2 years (got one on one door, one on the other).
A guy in my club got some he said were the German ones, one piece, molded corner, says he got them at Wolfburg West but this is second hand information to me. I can't confirm. Call around and ask. There are differencs for sure.
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I just bought and installed the Greman ones from CIP1. I think they are good quality, no problems with the install. You will have to realign the front doors after you install the new seals.
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^^are they one piece or the spliced version?
Just curious
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They all suck ass. Both ww sets I have were so thick, the jammed the door into the B post on the right side only.
Was pretty pissed seeing new paint curls on the floor...
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I couldn't agree more.
I bucked up for the spendy Veewib's from CIP, they are a beautiful seal as far as construction goes, but the foam is just too dense, after 2 months + of daily use I still have to slam the f*ck out of the door to get it fully latched, grrr.....
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need to find who has these now. Anything else is going to cause issues.
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Correct corners on German seals from Richard at OeVeeDub, same as originals.
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Those look like the ones I got, except your pictures just miss where the glued joints are.
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I couldn't agree more.
I bucked up for the spendy Veewib's from CIP, they are a beautiful seal as far as construction goes, but the foam is just too dense, after 2 months + of daily use I still have to slam the f*ck out of the door to get it fully latched, grrr..... |
I have the same ones..My bottom corner of my driver door sticks out like a whore in church unless I open the door again and slam the shit out of it..Would be nice to get a decent supplier..The window rubber on the other hand I'm quite happy with
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I couldn't agree more.
I bucked up for the spendy Veewib's from CIP, they are a beautiful seal as far as construction goes, but the foam is just too dense, after 2 months + of daily use I still have to slam the f*ck out of the door to get it fully latched, grrr..... |
I have the same ones..My bottom corner of my driver door sticks out like a whore in church unless I open the door again and slam the shit out of it..Would be nice to get a decent supplier..The window rubber on the other hand I'm quite happy with |
when I was building the deluxe, I totally forgot that the same thing happened to my westy...right door hitting the b post. when I saw the pigtail of paint on the floor, I almost had a stroke.
sad thing is, WW will say "they have to seat" and true..they have to squish out some, but this is off the charts.
my westy, built in '11-'12 will kind of close ok. if you leave the doors open too long, the puff back out and you start all over.
other than that, 98% of WW stuff is real nice
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Had a feeling this might be the case on the various German seals. Had a set of WCMs "German" in my hands today and didn't buy because I thought the
seams where jank. Thanks for the input. This helps. Very educational.
Please keep the input coming. I'll text DaleNW see what he used on his resto. Maybe he found a good source.
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Dale used the German Bus Depot seals. He had to adjust the door twice. Then a third time, a few months latter.daid it's still a bit tight. Overall he is pleased with the seal. He also recommends the Yellow 3m adhesive over the black. He being such a perfectionist (anal), the black would set to fast. Thanks Dale.
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loosen bolts, move door. tighten when happy
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I think realigning the doors is what upsets people. I was warned that when I bought new seals the doors would need realigning and would not be perfect. We expect to buy a seal and for it to fit perfectly no matter how much our doors have been or not been molested. I will agree that the seals could be better but these days most of the parts we buy could be better. So, in my eyes it's par for the course. Not perfect but not the worst either.
The yellow 3m adhesive is the stuff to use.
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I bought the Brazilian ones and wow, I'm better off without them. Same them, way too thick in certain spots that make it impossible to close the door. I had to shave them down in spots to make them fit. 0/10 would not buy again.
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You bet it does!
My bus has never been hit or apart and the OG seals toughed it out for 44 years, why the hell should I have to readjust now because some supplier (who obviously took the time to make multiple molds for all those intricate one side only parts [unlike the Brazilian ones]) couldn't finish the job and source the correct material to cast them out of? If it was shiny on the outside and super soft and puffy on the inside like the OG ones it'd be perfect, right now it's the same bouncy ball stiffness all the way through, good if you need Viagra, not so much when you are closing the door with your elbow with an armload of groceries.
I miss my worn whistly OG seals, and the paint in the door bolts is virgin, no dealer had to "readjust" a couple months after delivery, it's exactly the way it was when it got onto the train for the boatride (except for the way the doors close now).
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Yeah, I cant wait for this fun. I have the German seal loose fitted to the pass side and can see all these issues. All before the door mech is on, before the slamming begins.
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Here is a tip from a friend who does exotic car restorations here in Waynesboro.
After installing the new door seals (which are always too fat!), slather them down with an excessive amount of automotive rubber treatment. I think I used Back to Black. Make sure that whatever you are using doesn't dissolve the glue used to afix the seal.
Move the adjuster so that the door is in too far, the maximum amount in that you possibly can and still get the door to latch with great difficulty.
Let it sit with the door latched for a couple days. Then move the adjuster back out to your normal position.
I tried this on a VW restoration I did last year, and it helped greatly. It seemed to compress the too fat seals and allow the doors to latch without all the slamming.
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