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Fall23 Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 63 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:04 pm Post subject: Which Linkage |
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Hey everyone. Have to change the linkage on my 2275. The off set is all wrong and this causes the carbs to be out of sync. I have two options GB mounted to the fan housing and CSP centre link. What is everyone's opinion on these. I like the CSP but would have to loose my coil mount setup. I like the GB but extra hole in shroud and will this sync the off set carbs. CSP is clean... GB is bullet proof... aaaaahhhh BRAIN HURTS
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4343 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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I vote for CSP, but as your setup looks very nice as-is, why don't you just swap to offset manifolds? _________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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jfats808 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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X2 on offset manifolds. Lastly, I'd get rubberized hose securing clamp with 1 hole and mount it on that fan housing screw to clean the look up. To me it looks like the arm on the left side is a little off, not straight throwing off geometry. You might be able to just remount the linkage arm back to the carb top plate hole and get longer arms from CB. _________________ 2276 IDA's 86C 11-1 DD !
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Fall23 Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 63 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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The manifolds are machine matched ported. So that's out. I have tried it off the carb mount on the left and its way off, making it even worse. The way its setup ATM is not perfect but close...as we all know perfect is what we want...What ever I do I will shave off the mounts and smooth them out on the carbs to clean it up. With the hose. I have two more that run to the top of each carb from the top of the breather. Im going to clamp them together to clean that up.
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Joe Bence Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Berg |
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64delux Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2007 Posts: 138 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:57 am Post subject: |
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CSP |
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64delux Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:58 am Post subject: |
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Bwahahaha |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15309 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Get the CSP and throw the hex bar crap in the trash.
If that is a Scat fan shroud Berg linkage won't work. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:45 am Post subject: |
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You have a aftermarket 36hp shroud. The Berg fan mount uses the top 2 alternator backing plate holes and top coil hole. The aftermarket shrouds have the backing plate holes slight rotates so the Berg mount will not be level. It's also missing the coil mount holes. You'll have to "tweak" the shroud to use the Berg.
My suggestion is toss the aftermarket shroud and get a OEM dog house and use the Berg linkage.
Here's an example of a Berg fan mount on a aftermarket shroud.
Here's it on a OE shroud.
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SBD Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:00 am Post subject: |
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CSP _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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vince1 Samba Member
Joined: December 14, 2003 Posts: 823 Location: Burgundy, France
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Dale M. Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:17 am Post subject: |
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YES!......
And .... Before throwing out the baby with the wash water get a CP performance sync-link or new Weber arm for driver side carb (arm) .... OR just a generic 1 inch throttle arm spacer......Linkage is just simple geometry and what you have now is not correct....
Weber arm kit...
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CBP Sync link
There is nothing basically wrong with your linkage, its just not set up correctly (wrong bases on carb(s)) The CPR adapter on left carb filter base is a poor band aid at best and not a fix
(wrong filter base and no spacer on throttle arm)
...... Setting up linkage is an art form all its own.... Some times takes more time and patience to get correct, some times its more important then turning adjusting screws on carburetor.... IF you can't make what you have work, chances are other linkage setups will not work for you either....
Also if its setup correct you may not need the return spring on right side crab (on hex bar)...
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drumbum68 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, but the monkey said the hex bar stuff is crap . No one in the history of man has been able to use the CB hex bar kit and make it work . |
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Dale M. Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:32 am Post subject: |
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drumbum68 wrote: |
Yeah, but the monkey said the hex bar stuff is crap . No one in the history of man has been able to use the CB hex bar kit and make it work . |
Begging your pardon but I have (had) two cars running it and have worked on many others with it.... The problem is the "monkey" not the linkage....
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vwracerdave Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Now that I have installed the CSP linkage on 3 engines, I will never use the any of the hex bar crap again. If your on a cheap budget the SCAT centerpull linkage works but needs a little tweeking. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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vince1 Samba Member
Joined: December 14, 2003 Posts: 823 Location: Burgundy, France
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Fall23 Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 63 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:19 pm Post subject: Linkage |
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Here are some more pic's.
Im not really sure what is implied by the CSP link sync-link and if I don't have to play with the carb parts i won't. I know this is all about geometry but how much do I have to play with to make it work is what its all about. Keep it simple and stupid always applies.
Ive looked at both CSP and GB and they are both really well made. At the end of the day what I want is the best and most Tuneable linkage. HEX is out being the second one that Ive put on the car...first one started to rust and tarnish.
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JasonBaker Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2010 Posts: 1642 Location: Cleveland, TN
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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I will never use Hex linkage again. Does anybody remember the round bar before HEX?
My vote is the Scat Center pull. It cleans the appearance of the engine bay up and the installation is fairy straight-forward.
I have no experience with the CSP, but it looks nice.
I have been following JayCee Enterprises on Facebook and they have a nice setup.
https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/...e=55EFDF1E |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20380 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Right there is 95% of why you linkage sucks....
The adapter arm and air cleaner base...
Adding a stiffener bar from lower hole in air cleaner base to pivot point in adapter would stiffen setup immensely and probably improve how it works immensely...
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
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esde Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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The Berg is heavy duty, and once it's set, you can forget about it. The hex bar always seem to need some seasonal tweaking, especially if when you mash the petal to WOT, the cable can pull the hex bar some more. When they are forced to bow a bit, everything goes wacky. The Berg has stops on both sides for WOT. I have Berg on a Scat shroud, if you can drill a hole or two you can make it work. The Scat linkage is not as nice as the CSP. I have replaced the linkage rods because the threads stripped out of the rods, never had that issue with the CSP.Still, I'd go Berg or Sync Link
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Either is great. |
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