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Alan Brase Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:59 am Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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notchboy wrote: |
Nigel -
Tiki Bar not Polynesian Cultural Center. You are over analyzing the meaning of TIKI. Think more 50'-60's fad here in the US.
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Wow, Jason! I didn't even notice the VW bay apparently used as hospitality vehicle! Good picture! _________________ Al Brase
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notchboy Samba Member
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Convoy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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It appears the location has been demo'd in favor of a State Prison. _________________ 1974 Westfalia
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NASkeet Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:40 am Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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notchboy wrote: |
Kon-Tiki Hotel Phoenix, AZ 1963
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That roof on the split-screen VW Type 2 doesn't look very safely attached, so in New Zealand the driver would probably be stopped by traffic police and given a fine and demerit points on his driving licence. If the load could not be secured to the police officer's satisfaction, it would have to be removed then and there, and the cost of removing it from the highway would be down to the driver of the offending vehicle.
If the supplementary roof were regarded as a vehicle modification, it would need to be certified by a bonafide assessor and the vehicle plated accordingly.
Some offences are subject to an immediate 28-day licence suspension, so the driver would have to make other arrangements to continue his/her journey. _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:47 am Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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NASkeet wrote: |
That roof on the split-screen VW Type 2 doesn't look very safely attached, so in New Zealand the driver would probably be stopped by traffic police and given a fine and demerit points on his driving licence. If the load could not be secured to the police officer's satisfaction, it would have to be removed then and there, and the cost of removing it from the highway would be down to the driver of the offending vehicle.
If the supplementary roof were regarded as a vehicle modification, it would need to be certified by a bonafide assessor and the vehicle plated accordingly.
Some offences are subject to an immediate 28-day licence suspension, so the driver would have to make other arrangements to continue his/her journey. |
Back in the day we were allowed all kinds of leeway. Its still not uncommon for people to drive absolutely unsafe shit piles down the road. Without having a vehicle inspection in most states - sometimes its a free for all.
The famous Kon Tiki bus was safe. That palm frond roof was attached for sure.
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NASkeet Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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notchboy wrote: |
NASkeet wrote: |
That roof on the split-screen VW Type 2 doesn't look very safely attached, so in New Zealand the driver would probably be stopped by traffic police and given a fine and demerit points on his driving licence. If the load could not be secured to the police officer's satisfaction, it would have to be removed then and there, and the cost of removing it from the highway would be down to the driver of the offending vehicle.
If the supplementary roof were regarded as a vehicle modification, it would need to be certified by a bonafide assessor and the vehicle plated accordingly.
Some offences are subject to an immediate 28-day licence suspension, so the driver would have to make other arrangements to continue his/her journey. |
Back in the day we were allowed all kinds of leeway. Its still not uncommon for people to drive absolutely unsafe shit piles down the road. Without having a vehicle inspection in most states - sometimes its a free for all.
The famous Kon Tiki bus was safe. That palm frond roof was attached for sure.
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Even in relatively lenient Great Britain, those vehicles would probably have to be presented for an IVA - Individual Vehicle Approval, which I think might cost upward of £500 and is very stringent about projections that might injure people inside or outside the vehicle in the event of a collision.
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/individual-vehicle-approval
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/individual-vehicle-approval-inspection-fees _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
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klcarrie Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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When did Scat enterprises mean “Sh!t” for parts?
Clearing head casting flash continued.
I was able to inset the thermostat rod after significant work.
Re mantled under head mini-tin.
Will have to rectify minorpushrod tube dents from clearencing.
Incremental change is still progress:
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klcarrie Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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Under Head tin 1/2 keeps poping out.
I wired it in.
Coolin Flaps test fit
Again, incremental progress is still progress
Kevin _________________ Pritchin'
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klcarrie Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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One of these thermostat mounts is not like the other.
I started with the once closes to the open ended wrench. It facilitated misalignment of the Thermostat assembly when everything was mantled up.
Is it a Type 3 Housing? Or is it poorly made. Note the angle at the case mounting hole.
Mantling the other bracket resolved geometry related issues.
Next, I added Substantial expanding foam to the Cooling tower, and around the hoover bit.
Image of Shroud Mantled.
To do so, I installed the flaps on 1/2. I Mated 3/4 flaps in the shroud. Antiseize the threads and any mating surfaces.
Checked cooling tower flange bolt tightness.
Squished down the expanding foam and introduced the shroud to the tower. The shroud required some motivation to mate with other elements. I used my rubber mallet to gently tap various tin and flaps together.
After some time, the shroud flaps and cylinder tin were mated and aligned.
I adjusted the thermostat so that it opens freely and is not interfered upon by under-head tin, stat-mount, or other encumbrances.
Tested the thermostat with a heat gun. I got too greedy with the heat. Pop and spritz.
Bring out the accordion!
Lucky I had a spare.
Live and learn.
Tomorrow I'll install sleds, pre-heat tube (if I can find it) and other bottom end parts...
Kevin _________________ Pritchin'
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NASkeet Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:53 am Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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Based upon past experience with the AD-Series, twin-port, VW 1600 Type 1 style air-cooled engine of my British specification, 1973 VW 1600 Type 2 Kombi, I would be very disinclined to use either slot-head or Phillip's-head M6 screws for fastening the cover-plates and fan housing, owing to problems with corrosion and burred-screw-driver slots.
It took several days, a lot of patience, a drill and other tools, to remove all of the cover-plates in 1983, so that I could remove and dis-assemble the engine, in order to cure the oil leaks!
I now favour either hex-head or socket-head stainless-steel screws, whose threads have been lubricated with copper grease. _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
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klcarrie Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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To each his own.
I've exclusively run Type 1 dual-port engines in past builds. In high humidity environments such as the Great Lakes region of Canada, I too have had to deal with significant fastener corrosion.
Here, in western Canada, we're between 600m and a mile above sea level, and 1000+ kms from any ocean. In this rarified environment, humidity levels are such that fastener corrosion on summer-driven vehicles is insignificant.
I thread-chase and anti-seize fasteners and their receivers prior to mantling. To avoid having to deal with burred slots, new slot-head screws are used.
This is an adequate fastener corrosion treatment.
The appropriate hex screws are used at the fan-shroud side-mantling to cylinder head tin locations, and in the front of the fan shroud for fresh air scoop, etc. _________________ Pritchin'
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NASkeet Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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klcarrie wrote: |
To each his own.
I've exclusively run Type 1 dual-port engines in past builds. In high humidity environments such as the Great Lakes region of Canada, I too have had to deal with significant fastener corrosion.
Here, in western Canada, we're between 600m and a mile above sea level, and 1000+ kms from any ocean. In this rarified environment, humidity levels are such that fastener corrosion on summer-driven vehicles is insignificant.
I thread-chase and anti-seize fasteners and their receivers prior to mantling. To avoid having to deal with burred slots, new slot-head screws are used.
This is an adequate fastener corrosion treatment.
The appropriate hex screws are used at the fan-shroud side-mantling to cylinder head tin locations, and in the front of the fan shroud for fresh air scoop, etc. |
I am familiar with the verb "dismantling", being a synonym for disassembling, but have never encountered "mantling" used as a verb or any other part of speech!?!
My original screw did not have burred slots until I tried to remove them. I would imagine that your 1971 VW Type 2 will at some time venture out of the rarified low-humidity environment, on long-distance tours, where it might encounter less favourable conditions that encourage corrosion, but as you say, "to each their own". _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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NASkeet wrote: |
I am familiar with the verb "dismantling", being a synonym for disassembling, but have never encountered "mantling" used as a verb or any other part of speech!?! |
Right? I noticed that on too.
Was it a spell check error for "mounting? Ive never seen that. Is it a thing?
I thought it funny.
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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Clearly neither of you has read Muir, "remantling" is often used to describe the opposite of dismantling.
_________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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klcarrie Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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Hi all,
Far be it for me to tell you how to use the English language.
That said, in support of my use of it, here's what I found when conducting a tertiary search on the word "mantle" via https://www.google.com/search?q=etimological+root+...p;ie=UTF-8
The Roman etymological root means "cloak".
The French word mantle leads to "manteau" or "coat".
eg: https://www.linternaute.fr/dictionnaire/fr/definition/mantel/
In either case, to coat, cover, cloak, these are words which relay the spirit of my intended use of the word "mantle"; to put together or assemble.
I understand, so as to forward technical ideation across groups, cliques, cults and organizations, the gate-keepers prefer the adherence to convention(s).
I can appreciate that.
However, in this thread, I choose to expand on the convention; or better said, I choose to exercise and grow the breadth of my linguistic capacity, to reanimate elements of language that could benefit from parlance, or another lap around the block, per se.
And yes, Muir rings as a great influence re my early tutelage on the subject of Archemedian nut leveraging... and likely lies at the heart of my usage of the term. Thanks BD for that insight and neurological spark to some great early memories with my now late mentor Ernie Able in Wiarton.
Today's wrenching:
I reoriented the fan front cover plate so the snout faced downward
I used permatex blue (loctite) on 6mm studs and nut. Re-inserted the spring washer…
…and torqued to 60 inch-pounds
I inserted the fan into the housing
Oriented the fan onto the hub/reciever
Assembled the stack of spacers, shims, and spring and load bearing washers
And finally, threaded on the "Special" nut
as per
What is the torque value for this nut?
I considered Nigel's comment re the use of hex head hardware on specific sites on the shroud. I saw it good to replace the fastener that mantles the shroud at the Hoover Bit location...
...with a wire wheeled and lubricated 10mm hex head bolt flat and spring washer.
Also, mocked up the assembly of the generator/fan to the shroud using similarly clean hex hardware.
Now, this assembly is great, if I wish to continue with the mantling of dual carbs... but not if I wish to continue in a stock application...
I forgot to include something ... what is it? It wont be too much work, but it will be some back-stepping.
That's why the cleaned and thread-chased generator strap...
...is left unfastened for now.
Enjoy your evening. _________________ Pritchin'
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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40-47 foot lbs for the fan nut. You also want a 2mm gap between the backing plate and the back of the fan. Hex head bolts are very useful on the lower two fan backing plate fasteners where it bolts to the shroud, once the manifold is in the way it's the only way you can change a generator without removing the engine. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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Nigel
The butchery of the English language over here is relentless; lack of semi-colons , Oxford commas, misuse of colourful adjectives - it’s enough to make you want to prise the aluminium from the boot. Mind the tyres! _________________ .ssS! |
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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Abscate wrote: |
Nigel
The butchery of the English language over here is relentless; lack of semi-colons , Oxford commas, misuse of colourful adjectives - it’s enough to make you want to prise the aluminium from the boot. Mind the tyres! |
Yep. Derp, derp.
And klcarrie, we all just funnin. As Xevin says - having a goof. Proceed sir. _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
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klcarrie Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: TikiBarn: 1971 Westfalia |
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Thanks,
Sensu Wilde:
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.
Have a good night.
K _________________ Pritchin'
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