look at my bus that I got from the mountains:)

[rodgersbadassbus64]

Here's my new Fatchick which was recovered from a mountain top out behind the barn and cistern sitting for 29 years. I got in a whole lot of trouble from my good friend Greg M. who transports vw's all over this side of the rockies. He does not do barnfinds or recoveries yet we drove three hours to get the bus and when he saw the location and the bus with all rims on the ground and the tires without air...he was not at all thrilled with me or the bus. We attempted to inflate the the tires and spare the best we could do was three tires which held some air and had to winch the bus a hundred yards to the trailer. ..two hours latter we were on the road and 90 miles latter we were having milkshakes at Fosters in Los Banos and we made it home by five, Long day:) plans for the bus include restoration and modification. First order of business was to get tires to make it a roller to get it off the trailer. Next was to get it in the garage but had to vacate my splitty to a secure location. Then the fun and games began, brakes, mastercylinder, brakelines, dropspindles late bay disks, wheel bearings, stub axel bearings and seals. Remove extra fuel tanks, scraping undercoating and painting satin black on the undercarriage. The next phase was to build small stroker motor 74 x 90.5 = 1904 and a new ricky wright super beattle transmission:) I am sure some of you will flame me but I know what works for me. I am a big fan of why buy what you can build.

[Alan Brase]

This is perhaps the pilot light of the flame... Why the type 1 tranny? Couldn't you have got what you want with a 002 or 091?
I like the engine size (90.5 x 74). Is late bay disc parts the way to go? How about the rear brake pressure reducing (?) ____ valve that is on the frame by the master cylinder?
Did you go to a booster as well? Disc brakes seem like a lot of work for a small increase in performance. If I lived in the mountains, well, yes, maybe.
Al
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[raygreenwood]

Just buy an aftermarket brake pressure regulator.....adjusting will be tedious but fun. Ray

[rodgersbadassbus64]

The bug transmission is more popular in the uk then here in the states. I had a tough time at first finding enough information in order to feel comfortable to do the swap. http://forum.earlybay.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42556&hilit=1303+gearbox
early bay web site was very encouraging:)

[rodgersbadassbus64]

I also have a splitty where i run a IRS rancho prostreet 388 .89 4th transmission and i am very pleased with the overall drivability. I was going to to with a 3 rib flyer but I needed to spend the xtra money elsewhere. The bug transmission was 1/2 the cost and gives a good gear ratio Through all 4 gears which will improve drivability. I went with the 411 .89 fourth so with resonable short tires 24.5 I can still have a conversation while driving. I am not a big fan of high rpms and slow ground speeds. I'm not going to use this as a truck, its not a camper so i wont have all of the added weight. I'm not pleased with the EMPI drop spindles i thought i would be able to use my old rotors and calipers but that was not the case i was excited that i didn't need a core for the spindles and didn't have to wait to get them. However, now that i have them I'm going to own them. I currently run late bay disks on my splitty as well. I currently do not run a valve or booster on my split so I am Not sure if I will have enough vacuum with dual carbs. Does anyone have any experience with this? I am very excited about this build i really like the early bays.

[SGKent]

002 trans are inexpensive. You can find one in good shape, and it will hold up a lot better than a type 1 trans. If not maybe you should consider getting rid of the bus for a profit and buying a Beetle. An 091 is the heaviest duty bus trans that VW made. You could find a good used CP 091 and it would give you gearing for a 2L.
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[rodgersbadassbus64]

Sorry no on the bug im a bus guy...Rancho freeway flyers are 1200 plus tax and if my core was bad like a lot are thats another 300 dollars. They way I look at it i am just freeing up another 3 rib for someone else. Besides why would you care what transmission i put in my bus? If I were going for the stock restored original with 6 ply tall tires I might not need a different transmission but if you talk to the boys with slammed bitches and tiny rubberbands for tires they will all tell you that they dont get to where they are going in a hurry:) I have a funny feeling when this bus is done it will be without a doubt nicer than most:)

[airschooled]

I'm interested in learning if the bug transaxle is the correct length to line up the rear engine hanger mounts on the early bay. Of course, I'll learn through reading this thread. The OP will learn the hard way. Or not!

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[rodgersbadassbus64]

I belive my curb weight is only 2723 I'm not using it for a truck irs trannys are good fo upwards of 150 hp. My motor probably is close to 90 honest hp so do you really believe thats not enough to push a bay which is only 400 more pounds than a splitty. I'm still using the same geat ratios vw used with their 1600. I would say all things considered I'll have plenty of power and a comfortable cruizing speed if not ill put in my 2065 and do a few burnouts:) Guys lighten up you don't have to have a rusty stock bus just so you can avoid conflict...BTW no one has even said nice find...this bus is original paint non wrecked no rust excep a quarter spot in battery tray. Look at my motor its probably the envy of most people with upright type one motors. My tranny was built by a reputable builder not a big question mark how long will it last...the only way to tell if a transmission is good by putting it in. If I have cooling problems I can use a porsche pully just like I run on my 1968 long haul motor..or I can add a cooler because I have an in and out pump:) This flaming isn't because my garage is messy is it...LOL
BTW Robbie nice bus

[richparker]

You're engine looks nice but it's no 90 HP. I bet it's more like 65-70. I dynoed my 2109 and it was 68Hp with 89ft lbs of torque. Scroll about 1/4 a page down for pic and description of the dyno test.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5...p;start=20

As far as the beetle transaxle, your right you can use it in a split to delete the reduction boxes but...it will not work on a bay window. The beetle transaxle is not long enough to meet up with the front transaxle mount. It is also narrower then the 002 or 091 so you'll have to use longer axles and beetle CVs. Last but not least the shift selector coming out of the Nose cone is in the wrong location and will not mount up with the bay window shift rod.

I paid $450 for my 002 transaxle, which I bought from a member on this site and have put well over 30k on it with no problems.

I sure no one it saying nice bus and it does look nice is because your title is about the transaxle not the bus itself.
Rich P.
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[Randy in Maine]

Taller tires (like 195R14s) are a lot cheaper than a new transmission.

[Randy in Maine]

Taller tires (like 195R14s) are a lot cheaper than a new transmission.

[a1steaksauce]

clean score! messy garage lol

have a beetle transmission in mine as well. when built properly there isn't a single problem with using a bug trans.

and they sell kits to make a beetle trans a bolt and go operation for a bay.

naysayers are funny...but then again they probably think that lowering is a fad that will go away

[grandpa pete]

[rodgersbadassbus64]

Thanks A1 I knew i couldn't be the only one With a bug tranny Russ @ oldspeed has one in there bus as well. They used to sell installation kits i spoke to him on the phone he said he was pleased with the performance:) I Am looking forward to this build can't hardly wait to drive it

[Alan Brase]

Brazil buses had type 1 transaxles. I think perhaps that is where the so-called Rhino case came from. They were a bay front and a splitty rear body and I would guess very nearly the same weight as a 68-71 German bay. (70 and 71 were heavier in front, I know.)
So, I don't really KNOW what a RANCHO FREEWAY FLYER is or has for ratios, so it is a little hard to compare with a stock gearbox which we can just look up the ratios.
(You might be right, it might have much better ratios, I cannot tell from the info I have. Of course I suppose some people have all these ratios committed to memory. Not me.)
There is quite a bit of SUBJECTIVE (not objective) research done on engine size and gearing by the split window drivers that have lived with various combos over a decade sometimes. Ronnie Feitelson wrote some very nice stuff on the old vintage bus list. Seems he had very good luck with small strokers and single port heads and got very good gas mileage and performance.(You should know Ronnie- you buy your KF metal from him in AZ. I have a lot of respect for him. He has walked the walk. )
The general consensus is everything is better if you slow the engine down somewhat. Oil temp, fuel consumption, engine life. Not what the common reasoning was, which was to let it rev climbing hills.
So, properly done, you might have a good combo. I just need more info. And I AM not finding it easy to believe that you could not have got similar ratios with an 002 box and not have to adapt EVERYTHING to make it fit. I think perhaps some gear stacks are the same parts.
Again, I like your stroker. Will it get 100 hp? I think 100 hp will get you 100mph. Do you need 100mph? Not too often. (Once for the camera!) So, if it is only 90 or 88 it's all good.
And oh BTW- very nice find. Good color and original paint! It's only original once!
Al
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Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home

[lil-jinx]

Very nice bus,29 years sitting out side,in my part of the world the only thing that would be left after that time ,would be the glass,
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