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chromecarz00
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 Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:23 pm Post subject: 1st and 2nd gear in 3rd 4th gear slot |
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| Went to drive my 69 after a few days and it seems like the whole gearshift had shifted because I can't get into 3/4 gear. I've been searching and wasnt able to find anything on it. Thoughts? |
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Brian
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Did you change anything? Your shifter could have gotten out of line. Is it hard to go to the 3/4 side or just nothing at all?
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nickfancher1
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Change the coupler bushing for she shifter rod under the backseat. Also change the shifter bushing inside the tunnel under the shifter. Also adjust the shifter by loosening the 2 bolts and moving the shifter around so it is about in the middle then tightening them back up.
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chromecarz00
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| Haven't touched it, no. Impossible to get 3/4. I'll try loosening it and bring it back to center and see what happens. |
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Sounds like the hockey stick rotated in the new shift coupler.
When you reinstalled did you install a safety wife to keep the set screw from spinning?
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Bruce
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In the pic below is the late shift rod coupler. The steel part with the set screw is just crimped into the sheet metal cage. This crimp is known to come loose. When it does, the bushing can rotate in the cage. If it rotates, 1st gear will be where 3rd used to be or vice-versa.
I think this is what's happening to your car.
In every Beetle that has this coupler, the steel bushing must be welded to the cage. Even if your bushing is tight now, it will loosen up. Welding is good preventative maintenance.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I can't say for certain what your issue is, but I did have a fine-shifting car one evening, and the next morning I had no third gear, and I found a bad shift coupler. The odd thing was, it shifted perfectly fine until I let it sit overnight.
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chromecarz00
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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I was able to remove the two screws, recenter it and get it working.
Thank you all for your support and insight. |
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Mikedrevguy
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which two screws?
the bolts that mount shifter to tunnel? or?
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chromecarz00
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| Yep those are the ones! |
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Those are 'bolts' - not screws.
Good semantics go a long way for us who help you to understand what it is you are describing.
Nice to have a working gearbox eh?
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I agree with that definition. It describes the item in question. Unfortunately I've heard a lot of (major and official) places define a bolt as a faster that has a nut on the end to hold it in place while a screw is threaded into what it's holding together regardless of the end being tapered. I'm not as much a fan of that definition since you can take a bolt (with a nut) holding something together, remove the nut and thread it into something directly and suddenly it's a screw.  calling it something different based on how it's used doesn't sit well with me because what do I call them sitting in a box on the shelf?
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chromecarz00
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| Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: 1st and 2nd gear in 3rd 4th gear slot |
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| Having this issue again. I'm thinking I can make do with the same solution of readjusting and tightening the bolts, but does anyone know a more permanent solution or what could be causing it? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:11 am Post subject: Re: 1st and 2nd gear in 3rd 4th gear slot |
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| chromecarz00 wrote: |
| Having this issue again. I'm thinking I can make do with the same solution of readjusting and tightening the bolts, but does anyone know a more permanent solution or what could be causing it? |
If the problem happened suddenly, my first guess would be the shift rod bushing broke, especially if there seems to be more side-to-side slop in the shifter. |
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chromecarz00
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1st and 2nd gear in 3rd 4th gear slot |
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| It's always had a bit of side to side slop, so I'm not sure what's the normal amount. I was able to fix it last time by just adjusting the bolts on the shifter. It didn't look any more worn or broken with the quick look I took. Any advice? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: 1st and 2nd gear in 3rd 4th gear slot |
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Sounds like the shift rod bushing is kaput...probably not even there anymore.
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chromecarz00
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: 1st and 2nd gear in 3rd 4th gear slot |
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Actually described this issue wrong. I can't get into first without lifting reverse lock and second gear is tough to get into. I'm sure that doesn't change the prognosis though.
Is there a difference between super beetle bushing and regular? |
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Bama Dave
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: 1st and 2nd gear in 3rd 4th gear slot |
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No. Look here: http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C24%2D111%2D701%2D259%2DASET
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