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jimf909 
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| Terry Kay wrote: |
Consider this;
Why would the Van-Cafe include the steel bulkhead fitting with their replacement fuel line kit?
I think the answer is pretty simple.
Peter knew about the hinkey rubber grommet's at the firewall that folks were using, also knew the nylon fittings were getting old and fracturing, and decided to make the engine a safe haven for fuel to be introduced.
Why change the fuel lines?
I see this blurb here often.
Must be a fire issue on the high pressure feed line.
Then why not do the job right?--you guys are taking one step forward, and then 6 steps back.
Rocket science-?
Absolutely not.
Another common sense & good judgement issue some folks skip for the sake of a couple of bucks--and if they sourced the fuel line kit from the VC they would get the correct feed line fitting for the firewall included.
Must be something to that thing-- |
All good points, but why is the bullhead fitting so absolutely necessary for the feed line but not needed for the return line?
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Here is my 1986 return line Bulkhead grommet along with the protective hose cover.
It has only minor abrasion from the steel hole. It is 100% reuseable.
VW is/was a frugal company. They didn't make a nylon bulkhead fitting adding to the vehicles cost without good reason......
While I don't know the reason......
I am guessing that reason is still valid in 2015.
Dave |
I thought I read somewhere that the bulkhead fitting was just to make manufacturing on an assembly line easier and had nothing to do with performance or function.
I thought the source was a VW engineer but I may be mistaken. Maybe someone else has heard this?
Also, is there harm it running the supply line under the firewall? As long you protect it with some type of sleeve (such as more fuel hose) and secure it appropriately?
What about sourcing a factory firewall grommet? I do like the idea of two less connections to worry about, but not at the expense of a split/damaged hose. |
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Corwyn
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Your grommet will work just fine...
Just make sure there is ne pressure from the fuel line against any part of it. I have been doing this for many years and this is a common fix. People just have to po-po this when they are trying to sell you something. |
X2 - I used the grommet and straight-run fuel line; and five and a half years later, no abrasion. I do check it regularly, like my oil, my tires, my tranny fluid, etc . . .
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jimf909
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| Terry Kay wrote: |
Wait till that rubber grommet wears though and that sharp sheet metal slices through that fuel line .
You'll see real quick how much you really saved. |
It sounds like it could be a very long wait. Given that other threads have recommended replacing fuel lines every few years it seems the grommet far outlasts the replacement interval.
Anybody wanna buy a $40 bulkhead fitting taking up space in my van? 
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
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Terry Kay
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Good deal--
You can be Walter Winchell and report when the first BBQ takes place--
Don't forget the kaupsta & perogi's. 
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jimf909
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Good deal--
You can be Walter Winchell and report when the first BBQ takes place--
Don't forget the kaupsta & perogi's. |
Seems like it's gonna just be cold, bloody ribs and cole slaw at the bbq. I'll have the beer on ice though.
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Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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mjanderle
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| Terry Kay wrote: |
Consider this;
Why would the Van-Cafe include the steel bulkhead fitting with their replacement fuel line kit?
I think the answer is pretty simple.
-and if they sourced the fuel line kit from the VC they would get the correct feed line fitting for the firewall included.
Must be something to that thing-- |
I did source the kit from VC.
The kit is available with or w/out the fitting.
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djkeev
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As I said from the get go, yes the grommet will work but will need periodic checking for abrasion.
The new rubber quality is questionable today.
The old Type 1 Beetles had a serious fuel line grommet decomposition problem. Steel pipes would be abraded over time.
Your grommet is a solution, not a forever solution but you can replace a lot of $1.49 grommets!
The question is will you?
Vanagon fires are no laughing matter and anything an owner can do to ward off fires is a good thing.
I KNOW that I would not depend upon myself to remember to check a rubber grommet every year for sure!
Anyway.....
Good luck! Keep a close eye on that grommet wear.
Your idea is a short term cheap solution to not spending $40 today.
This grommet is Not something I would do but there is a LOT I do that others would choose not to do.
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danfromsyr
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Ummm WOW. they charge $39 for that..
all kidding aside I would kick them square in the shins for that kind of pricing..
that's just playing on peoples fears and safety concerns..
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That's a lot of digital ink to talk about that damn grommet and the firewall fitting.
Just don't go through the damn half ass firewall at all.
When I had my VW WBX engine in place, I've installed a grommet and put some cloth friction tape for electricians around the hose.
Then I replaced later on the whole hose, one shot piece, and didn't put it through the firewall. Wise strapping required.
Then I put a Subaru engine 
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Terry Kay
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Here's what you have to do to determine the price factor;
Have the plates custom water jet cut, onesie, twosies should be real cheap for you, cut a length of tubing, bubble flare the ends so the hose doesn't slip out, attach the tube to the plate, and finish it with something so it doesn't rust.
I think this is a bargain--for the time materials, and the pain in the buttox job it is to create the fittings--and at 20 buck less expensive than this fitting;
http://www.foreignautosupply.com/parts-accessories/53-fastt-replacement-fuel-spigot/#.VardnZOvFTM
yea--the rubber bung is real cheap--but your setting yourself up for a possible failure, and you won't even know it's happening until you have a good fire going.
In my opinion the bulkhead fitting in the same configuration as the stock unit is real cheap insurance on that inbound pressurized fuel line.
Now, you guys in the destitute mode may go about this in any way you choose--and probably will continue to do so.
You're just setting yourself up for a possible bon fire, and it's your vehicle--go for it.
Not my ride--go for it.
Poof--and then you have nothing--perfect.
But yet the same mad men will spend thousands of dollars on radios, amps, solar panels, wheels magumbo tires, and other garbage--
Good thinking.
Worthless Priorities are much more important.
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| Terry Kay wrote: |
Worthless Priorities are much more important. |
Dial it back old man.
Last I checked we were all here to help one another.
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| Terrance from the land of winds that blowhard, are you the supplier of the fittings to Van-Cafe? |
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he's either the supplier or riding on the pricing bandwagon..
blah blah waterjet blah blah, while many of us don't have tools, shops or tooling.. many of us here do. and know the costs of parts and provisions..
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from his http://vanagonwestfaliaaccessories.com/ website.
Here's an important replacement item that ebvery Vanagon Owner should install in their Van.
Get the brittle plastic fuel fitting out of the engine compartment, and get this perfectly duplicated steel bulkhead fitting in where the plastic one was.
If your thinking of changing your original gas lines , you should change this part too.
It's tough, will never fracture, and is an easy installation.
If for nothing else it will elminate the thought of an engine fire when the old plastic fitting snaps off and blows gas all over the engine.
The steel replacemnet fitting is $39.00 plus shipping |
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What the point was, and is, if you don't like the price of the correct parts for the van, go ahead and make it yourself.
See how far that will set you back in time, labor, & materials.
Give it a shot see what happens.
Andy,
Who told you that?
Oh-- you guys with the polish grommet effect are getting hosed.
Them hole gizmos, flame starting devices, can be had for $1.29, for a package of 4 plus tax.
tax.
I'd hate to see you overspending, really splurging.
Folks wonder why the Titanic sank.
Here's a real good example.
Jipping' the job.
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<<Dial it back old man>>
Chill sonny.
<<Last I checked we were all here to help one another.>>
Been trying junior, I can only point youin's to the trough.
I'll be damned if I am going to spoon feed you.
Take the blinders off and look to the right & left.
Might see something more that's available without having tunnel vision only.
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Andy,
Who told you that? |
Told me what? I asked a question. You didn't answer it and instead went on a spin fest. I'll ask again.
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| Terrance from the land of winds that blowhard, are you the supplier of the fittings to Van-Cafe? |
A simple honest 'Yes' or 'No' would suffice. |
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Terry Kay
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<<Terrance from the land of winds that blowhard, are you the supplier of the fittings to Van-Cafe?
I have no idea who this is your referring to.
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