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ateneo Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2008 Posts: 403 Location: Orange County, California
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Spike0180 wrote: |
Ateneo: Yeah, my vdo gauge came with instructions. I wired the light to my #58 on my light switch (this is the prong that also goes to the dash lights). I Put the sender wire to the "S" prong on the gauge (This is a long wire that runs the entire length of the car. I did some feeding of the wire through some holes along with the wiring loom, though it is not inside the loom). I took my power to my "+" on my gauge from #15 on my Emergency switch (but I connected it at the fuse box, for me that was fourth from the right.) And then the other two prongs on my gauge were for grounds, I connected the two then ran a single wire to a ground (which happened to be a spare prong on my dash board)
I followed diagram "D" for the "standard ground" here: https://www.vdo-instruments.com/media/instructions/0%20515%20012%20123%20--%20Electric%20Gauges.pdf |
Thank you Spike0180 for this detail & simple to understand instruction. I will install the oil temp gauge this Friday because of the hot weather here in California. Thank you again, sir _________________ 1966 Riviera camper Bus
1967 EZ camper bus
1971 Westfalia bus
1971 Deluxe bus
1969 Bus
1962 Bug
1963 Bug
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Spike0180 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2015 Posts: 2269 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:47 am Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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ateneo wrote: |
... Thank you Spike0180 for this detail & simple to understand instruction. I will install the oil temp gauge this Friday because of the hot weather here in California. Thank you again, sir |
No Problem, glad someone can use what I'm learning
I got out for a drive yesterday. It was really nice. I put some more grease on my carb throttle shaft and my carb to intake header gasket. Then I cracked my idle jet a bit and it idled even a little high. I ended up turning in the speed screw some.
I think I was running a bit rich, the engine sounded richer (a bit more throaty like there was a too big of an explosion going on) and the exhaust smelled like gas. It was also pretty gutless, but with decent torque on the low end going up some smaller steep hills.
I'm hoping to hear from Tim soon and see if he thinks my carb is worth rebuilding or if it is a parts carb. Either way can't wait to have a reliable non leaking carb on my engine.
I did go to re-start the car and found that I had very little crank power after shutting it down, I went back and found my positive battery cable loose... A job for another day (today if the weather is plays nice). _________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
Sambastic: adj; the quality of being nit picky, elitist, expecting everyone to do things the way they believe is best with no regard to situation, "sambastic" |
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Spike0180 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2015 Posts: 2269 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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It has been a little while, I have been camping but not in the van. If so, I'd have some beautiful pictures of michigans upper peninsula for you, but I can't. Maybe soon. I received my carb back from Tim @VolkzBitz back. I got it on the bus yesterday but didn't have time to tune it at all. Hopefully this week I'll get it running alright so I can swing by to see David Satterly, so he can give it a good tune. A picture of the lovely carburator.
_________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
Sambastic: adj; the quality of being nit picky, elitist, expecting everyone to do things the way they believe is best with no regard to situation, "sambastic" |
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ccpalmer Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2006 Posts: 3850 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:32 am Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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I was just up north in my Bus and meant to snap a photo for you as motivation...
Good luck with the new carb! _________________ '71 Westy |
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Spike0180 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2015 Posts: 2269 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:35 am Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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ccpalmer wrote: |
I was just up north in my Bus and meant to snap a photo for you as motivation...
Good luck with the new carb! |
Thanks, maybe this coming week we can finally go get that beer! _________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
Sambastic: adj; the quality of being nit picky, elitist, expecting everyone to do things the way they believe is best with no regard to situation, "sambastic" |
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ccpalmer Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2006 Posts: 3850 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:51 am Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Spike0180 wrote: |
ccpalmer wrote: |
I was just up north in my Bus and meant to snap a photo for you as motivation...
Good luck with the new carb! |
Thanks, maybe this coming week we can finally go get that beer! |
This weekend should be good. I'm busy the next few.. _________________ '71 Westy |
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Spike0180 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2015 Posts: 2269 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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ccpalmer wrote: |
Spike0180 wrote: |
ccpalmer wrote: |
I was just up north in my Bus and meant to snap a photo for you as motivation...
Good luck with the new carb! |
Thanks, maybe this coming week we can finally go get that beer! |
This weekend should be good. I'm busy the next few.. |
I'm out of town this weekend, helping my father-in-law do some body work on a '03 VW GTI VR6. The thing is sweet! ... but has some rust that needs preventative maintenance. _________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
Sambastic: adj; the quality of being nit picky, elitist, expecting everyone to do things the way they believe is best with no regard to situation, "sambastic" |
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ccpalmer Samba Member
Joined: September 17, 2006 Posts: 3850 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Next week could work _________________ '71 Westy |
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Spike0180 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2015 Posts: 2269 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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She is up and running. Though still hard to start. I'm going to try to set the tuning a bit better befor taking it to David for a good tune. _________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
Sambastic: adj; the quality of being nit picky, elitist, expecting everyone to do things the way they believe is best with no regard to situation, "sambastic" |
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Spike0180 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2015 Posts: 2269 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:36 am Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Story Time! I got my Volkzbitz carb on my bus, I got it tuned (I think a bit rich, but still was seeming alright.) So I go out for a drive to warm up the engine so I can fine tune it a bit more. I left my house around 6:45, I drove around the neighborhood for a while getting up to 45 mph, a lot of 30-40 though. And then it happened. It just cut out on me, no sputtering just dead. I'm luckily still rolling and going down hill, so I pop my clutch and give it gas. I'm going again! alright, I have more tuning that I thought. I turn the corner at the bottom of the hill, it cuts out again. I pop the clutch and gas it. I get nothing... It acts like it wants to go, but my combustion is worthless and I'm down for the count. I jump out and push the bus into the entrance of a park that is wide enough for 2 cars to easily fit through.
I jump out and start looking around, I thought maybe my points had closed. I found they were a little tight, so I reset them and re-greased my post. While doing this, another VW Bus rolls up! This never happens in southeast Michigan. There just aren't many around due to the excess salt on the road and muscle car mentality. Anyways, the points didn't fix it. I touch my coil, it's HOT. So I swap in my better looking spare. This doesn't do it either. (I call AAA, 7:20pm.) So I put the key in the ignition and head around back to test some electrical, make sure I'm getting power where needed. I get back there and I'm about to start and through my conduit I had back there I see bright red burning wire and now smoke. So I run to the front and rip the key out. CRAP! well, the wire is melted pretty good, I trace it back to the firewall where it isn't burnt up anymore and replace it with wire I have in my electrical kit. I go back up front, and turn the key. No luck, didn't fix it. I call back AAA who tells me again (2nd time) that the tow truck is 45-60 min away. I try jump starting it at the starter with no avail (idk if I just didn't do it right, or if my actual issue was preventing it from working).
But there was now smoke coming from under my dash . I open that up and my ignition switch wires are a bit melted and the 1.5mm wire to the coil is real melted at the connector from the wire to the ignition and the wire to the fuse box. So I decide maybe the short is the ignition switch, I get to learning how to hotwire my car. I think I had it figured out, but it was just wanting to melt that 1.5mm wire to the coil. I call back AAA who tells me again (3nd time) that the tow truck is 45-60 min away. I talk with a relations specialist from AAA, and pretty much get told they don't have a way to get tow trucks to get the job done faster and likely if we moved the job from the current company it would take longer than waiting for them. She does her best and I hang up.
So I run a wire to the coil through the middle of the bus and tried again thinking there was a short somewhere else in that wire and the damage was worse than I thought (again). Well, that jumper wire also get really hot really quick and at this point I was hangry and gave up for a minute. This is where I give up for a minute, and go make plans with the security guard at the park to leave my bus in the parking lot until tomorrow when I can actually get a tow truck to come get me. I push the bus to the parking lot and lock her up. I call a fourth time, if they aren't on their way I'm ubering home and canceling. They are supposedly on their way to me with an ETA of 11pm... Alright, I'll wait just a little longer.
So I'm reading my Bentley manual wiring diagram and just going back over what I had done and for some reason go and quadruple check that my coil is hooked up right. This is when I see IT. The wire to the switch for my backup lights melted to my heat riser... As I see this I'm also answering my ringing phone. It's the tow company saying he is 2 minutes out. DAMN YOU MURPHY!
The culprit:
The tow home:
I did get to meet a new friend, who is on the site though I'm not sure of his username. He is new to Busses (3weeks, he was a bug guy and a drag racer). Maybe he will see this and chime in. His bus is cool, its a '79 transporter. Black and white with overhead factory AC. He has been doing some work getting it sorted out this past month and it seems to be running well. _________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
Sambastic: adj; the quality of being nit picky, elitist, expecting everyone to do things the way they believe is best with no regard to situation, "sambastic" |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4532 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Well, the good thing is: "you learn from your mistakes". This is another good example of something I have learned the hard way: You don't need to know WHY the German engineers did it that way to benefit from their knowledge. Just copy them EXACTLY in the wire routing and connecting. You might eventually be able to make the wiring better in some places. (There is a test socket that could totally get cut out and probably should.) But running plastic insulated wire over your crossover pipe is not okay. At least you know the crossover is getting the manifold hot! _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home |
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Alan Brase wrote: |
Well, the good thing is: "you learn from your mistakes". |
And the BEST thing about The Samba is we get to learn from others mistakes.
I feel the pain you went thru, Spike, having been in that situation before. But feel good in knowing that sharing your experience may help others from having the same problem. _________________ -Kent-
1976 Riviera, 1.8l FI chrome yellow VAN - "Chloe"
"I must say, how can you be in a bad mood driving this vehicle full of vibrant color.
Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
Bus ownership via emoticons:
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Spike0180 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2015 Posts: 2269 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Thanks guys, I knew not to put my wires next to hot manifolds. It was supposed to be temporary, then I forgot about it. It was just dumb to not see it. But I did learn a lot and I think my trouble shooting has improved too.
To report back on the damage: Good things! I inspected the ignition wiring and it appeared to be alright, and I had already replaced the ignition wiring near the coil that melted. I simply unplugged the reverse switch wire that had melted from the coil. Then I went ahead and jump started it using the ignition wire, and it turned right over and fired up on second crank! I had been having serious issues getting my engine to fire in the first few attempts let alone cranks! So I must have a short somewhere in that system. For now, it's just unplugged but I'll run back through it and find and fix the short.
If my hard start issue will get solved out of this sharad, it will be more than worth it. Plus, I met a friend. _________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
Sambastic: adj; the quality of being nit picky, elitist, expecting everyone to do things the way they believe is best with no regard to situation, "sambastic" |
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Spike0180 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Alan Brase wrote: |
Well, the good thing is: "you learn from your mistakes". This is another good example of something I have learned the hard way: You don't need to know WHY the German engineers did it that way to benefit from their knowledge. Just copy them EXACTLY in the wire routing and connecting. You might eventually be able to make the wiring better in some places. (There is a test socket that could totally get cut out and probably should.) But running plastic insulated wire over your crossover pipe is not okay. At least you know the crossover is getting the manifold hot! |
Btw, my wiring does follow the wiring diagrams, minus the door buzzer (mine was broken), awg gauges and different colors. But it does follow the wiring diagrams _________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
Sambastic: adj; the quality of being nit picky, elitist, expecting everyone to do things the way they believe is best with no regard to situation, "sambastic" |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4532 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Spike0180 wrote: |
Alan Brase wrote: |
Well, the good thing is: "you learn from your mistakes". This is another good example of something I have learned the hard way: You don't need to know WHY the German engineers did it that way to benefit from their knowledge. Just copy them EXACTLY in the wire routing and connecting. You might eventually be able to make the wiring better in some places. (There is a test socket that could totally get cut out and probably should.) But running plastic insulated wire over your crossover pipe is not okay. At least you know the crossover is getting the manifold hot! |
Btw, my wiring does follow the wiring diagrams, minus the door buzzer (mine was broken), awg gauges and different colors. But it does follow the wiring diagrams |
Did the factory drape the black wire to the fuseholder and then to the backup lite switch OVER the heat riser pipe?
I think perhaps I did not make it clear enough. FOLLOW ALL THE DETAILS. YOU DON"T EVEN NEED TO KNOW WHY. I don't mean copy the diagrams. I mean copy what was there originally.
Al _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home
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Spike0180 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:05 am Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Alan Brase wrote: |
Spike0180 wrote: |
Alan Brase wrote: |
Well, the good thing is: "you learn from your mistakes". This is another good example of something I have learned the hard way: You don't need to know WHY the German engineers did it that way to benefit from their knowledge. Just copy them EXACTLY in the wire routing and connecting. You might eventually be able to make the wiring better in some places. (There is a test socket that could totally get cut out and probably should.) But running plastic insulated wire over your crossover pipe is not okay. At least you know the crossover is getting the manifold hot! |
Btw, my wiring does follow the wiring diagrams, minus the door buzzer (mine was broken), awg gauges and different colors. But it does follow the wiring diagrams |
Did the factory drape the black wire to the fuseholder and then to the backup lite switch OVER the heat riser pipe?
I think perhaps I did not make it clear enough. FOLLOW ALL THE DETAILS. YOU DON"T EVEN NEED TO KNOW WHY. I don't mean copy the diagrams. I mean copy what was there originally.
Al
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Yeah, I wont be following all the details. I'm not willing to track down all the parts, but I will in the future be more careful on where my wires run and making sure they stay where I decide to put that. #ziptielife _________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
Sambastic: adj; the quality of being nit picky, elitist, expecting everyone to do things the way they believe is best with no regard to situation, "sambastic" |
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Bagger04 Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2015 Posts: 33 Location: Port Huron, Michigan
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:37 am Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Spike0180 it was my pleasure meeting you the other nite, wish I could have been more help. Still plugging along on mine, thinking of going to dual carbs . Adjusted steering yesterday seem a little better. shooting for horn and back up lites by weekend. Hope to run across you soon |
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ccpalmer Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:52 am Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Sorry to hear about the trouble! But sounds like you have it figured out now.
Time for some positive trip reports! _________________ '71 Westy |
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Spike0180 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:17 am Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Bagger04! nice to see you. You were help, you kept me positive and from doing anything too stupid. I'll be rewiring part of my brake light system too, and probably isolating my horn wire from grounding out like it is now.
I'm hoping to get to finish that wiring tonight and get to go for a little drive before the storms roll in. If so, I'll have a report back tomorrow on if it is still starting right up and how it does on hot/warm starts as well. _________________ Brutis Patches Izabich: 1970 VW Transporter - 1776cc DP
Current State: Projects never truly end...
Location: Grosse Pointe, Michigan
Other cars: 2003 F150, 2003 Jetta GLI vr6-6sp
Sambastic: adj; the quality of being nit picky, elitist, expecting everyone to do things the way they believe is best with no regard to situation, "sambastic" |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4532 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:10 am Post subject: Re: My soon to be new 1970 vw transporter (restoration) |
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Spike0180 wrote: |
Alan Brase wrote: |
Spike0180 wrote: |
Btw, my wiring does follow the wiring diagrams, minus the door buzzer (mine was broken), awg gauges and different colors. But it does follow the wiring diagrams |
Did the factory drape the black wire to the fuseholder and then to the backup lite switch OVER the heat riser pipe?
I think perhaps I did not make it clear enough. FOLLOW ALL THE DETAILS. YOU DON"T EVEN NEED TO KNOW WHY. I don't mean copy the diagrams. I mean copy what was there originally.
Al
Al |
Yeah, I wont be following all the details. I'm not willing to track down all the parts, but I will in the future be more careful on where my wires run and making sure they stay where I decide to put that. #ziptielife |
(this pic is of a 73-74 type1, so not quite the same, but the wiring is the same.)
WOW. My point exactly. You MIGHT just bother to LOOK at another factory wired 68-71 bus engine and discover that there is a FUSEHOLDER attached to a short end of the black wire that feeds the coil, then 2 points on the carb... Then the backup light FUSE. (attached to that funny spring clip on the fan housing.)
So, you wasted several peoples' time, the tow truck fee, and pretty much badly damaged the original wiring in the bus, because because you are "not willing to track down all the parts"?
Seems to me you just caused about $1000 worth of damage.
Mark your 2018 calendar for Aug2, 2018. Write this forum back in a year and see if this still seems like a good idea. (A year from today.) Tell us how you perfectly repaired the damage from the red hot wire from the ignition switch.
Al _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home |
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