VW cheating on diesel emissions.....

[EverettB]

[oprn]

I fail to see how they could possibly single out and confirm deaths caused by VWs when these same people are surrounded by emissions from other diesel cars and trucks, transport and emergency vehicles, trains and busses, aircraft and ships and heating systems for homes and buildings.

Any numbers would be wild guesses at best and pure fabrication at worst.

[KTPhil]

They have computer models that deal with the probabilities of death from diseases linked to the pollution, and those models are based on historical data. I don't doubt the mathematical accuracy, nor the real danger it represents.

But as I posted earlier, the singling out of VW, while giving a pass to our municipal utility for a FAR larger emission scandal, is the hypocrisy I object to.

I also wish the press would also give the same "life and death" credit when VW does the required mitigation to reduce other pollution contributors.

Even the "non-fake" media can be improperly selective in what and how they report.

[oprn]

Just to draw a parallel from history, back in the mid '60s it came out in the media that there had been some roll over accidents involving the Corvair car. This car had an independent swing axle rear suspension which we all know is subject to "jacking" in a hard corner under certain conditions. A fellow by the name of Ralph Nader jumped on the band wagon and wrote a whole book on it titled "Unsafe at any speed" that raised him from a nobody to "the voice for consumer protection" and later into political office.

That was all very fine except that the WHOLE truth was never told.

#1) GM upgraded that suspension in '65 to one almost identical to the Corvette and fixed the problem.

#2) VW, Renault, Peugeot, NSU, Mercedes and several others were using the same suspension too.

#3) and here is the kicker - Ford turned that same suspension around and put it on the FRONT of their pickup trucks in '65 and called it the greatest invention ever the "TWIN I BEAM"! It had the same ability to turn the truck turtle as all the rest but now it is on the front steering the truck!

Now at the same time GM had a problem with ALL their mid and full sized cars. When the engine mounts failed (and they did on a regular basis) on all of their V8 cars, the engine would drop and the throttle linkage would pull the throttle wide open! The Corvair had turned out to not be very popular so GM opened the books to Ralph and turned him loose to deflect attention away from their main money makers while they quietly did a recall fix to the rest.

The VW diesel is most likely no better or worse than any of the rest of the diesels out there, they were just chosen to be the "sacrificial lamb" to rid the USA of all small fuel efficient diesels. And was VW ok with that? Sure, they now have the gas engine TSI and who would buy that when you could still get the well proven TDI which gets better mileage, has the same power and will out last any gas engine 2 to 1. They were both targeted to the same market.

[APPLEGREENVW]

[KTPhil]

[Helfen]

The Associated Press Published 8:31 a.m. ET May 18, 2018
FRANKFURT, Germany — German authorities have ordered the EU-wide recall of 60,000 Cayenne and Macan vehicles from Volkswagen's Porsche sports car division after finding that the vehicles emitted excessive pollutants due to software that turned down emission controls during driving.
The Federal Motor Transport Authority said Friday that it discussed "impermissible defeat devices" that led to increased emissions of harmful nitrogen oxides.

[mark tucker]

say it aint so!!!! :2gunfire:

[Zundfolge1432]

[Spezialist]

Someone better buy every spare they can as fast as they can. Nuff said.
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[Helfen]

Ed Taylor
Reuters
June 10, 2018 11:28 CET
FRANKFURT -- Germany’s road vehicle authority KBA has found five “illegal switch-off devices” in Daimler engines, the Bild am Sonntag newspaper reported on Sunday.
The authority said it suspected the emissions control devices were being used in the bulk of Daimler’s new Euro 6 diesel car fleet, encompassing some 1 million vehicles, according to the report.

It's not just VW

[Helfen]

Volkswagen Group CEO Herbert Diess told a German newspaper the arrest of Audi head Rupert Stadler in the ongoing diesel emissions scandal was a “massive shock.”

[Randall]

Three years after the VW diesel buyback program began people can’t get enough of them, according to this August 23 Jalopnik article. VW agreed to buy back almost 380,000 cars, and of those, 100,000 are still for sale.
https://jalopnik.com/cheating-volkswagen-diesels-have-become-a-hot-commodity-1837505697

[oprn]

We have 2 in the family now and I have my ear to the ground looking for another one with low mileage. There is nothing on the market here in North America that can match them for low cost, low maintenance ownership.

The emissions thing is pure BS. It's based on faulty science, VW knew it and so do other car companies by the look of it.

[TDCTDI]

Yet another manufacturer caught cheating on emissions.


Link

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Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.


GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!


An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.


Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it.

[Dusty1]

And yet no one mentions biofuel, the answer for clean diesels.

Spill that shit on the ground, a zillion ants show up and eat it.

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[oprn]

Diesel is the "Boogie Man" in the emissions world in any form. Closed minds.
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We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age)

[Erik G]

[MuzzcoVW]

[Abscate]

Its a false analogy to compare EPA mileAge tests with EPA mileAge requirements. The first is a series of tests carried about by the EPA which let you compare cars, but give a flawed representation of your actual mileage. That still has value, but actual mpg is a complicated function of climate and driving habits which introduce variation of as much as 50% , so any testing will give a coarse representation only,

The emissions scandal was an illegal end run around certifications that were made the the EPA to allow import of their cars. The only legal remedy that makes sense is to put every Director and C level executive in jail for 10 years. You can’t fine a company this size enough to disincentivise this behavior, unfortunately.
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