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alanmacleod2
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 Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:38 pm Post subject: California State Smog Policy - Good News? |
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Just had my Exploder smogged (Los Angeles county)and noticed that it was not put on the machine where the wheels spin but simply hooked--up via a connection under the dashboard. Asked the guy doing the test about it and he said that they are phasing-out that machine for the new plug-in computer. I asked how they will test older vehicles and he said the state of Calif is considering EXEMPTING all pre-1997 vehicles (read: all Vanagons) from smog testing within 3 to 5 years.
Down side: 1) this is in the 'considering' phase and 2) testing may become more stringent in order to get the most older vehicles possible off the road between now and then. However if true, hello Bostig, Subie 2.5, etc.
Anyone heard about this, any thoughts/comments.
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We got rid of the dyno tests in NY several years ago. That being said, remembering the LA smog of the 70s, you do not want to go back....
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| We never got the dyno smog test, tailpipe sniffer only. |
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hdenter
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I would not be surprised if they started to exempt pre OBDI cars. The percent of them still on the road is small. The post '97 cars can hardly be gross polluters without setting off a code on the OBD, Also, unlike the pre'74 cars that are exempt now, the '75 to '96 cars are much more fuel efficient and are predominately fuel injected with some kind of engine management. Sniffing the pipe is basically a waist of time on modern cars. I'm glad they are thinking about it, there would be a lot more cleaner running and more powerful vans on the road here in CA.
Hold it!! a government agency making a sensible decision? This whole thread is probably a hoax!
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Abscate
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| We never got the dyno smog test, tailpipe sniffer only. |
We got rid of the sniffer too! 
I registered everything upstate anyway due to shop convenience.
Learning the " two monitors not ready rule" from the EPA two years ago has helped me keep my Volvos in the road cheap.
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Thats interesting 
In the last 2yrs, most of the shops in my area (N.Cali) charge $20 more for pre OBD II cars
They do a thorough visual inspection, dyno, sniff, and fuel tank pressure test.
consequently more older cars are failing, more jeeeps are becoming "offroad only" 
Seems to me they have become more restrictive,
My local guy says the state has become really aggressive about fineing stations that don't check all the boxes |
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Wildthings
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They could certainly lower the pollution from older cars if they would modify the visual rules to allow for the installation of FI systems onto earlier rigs without having to jump through too many hoops.
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yiucycle
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There is a new bill AB 550(dont't know if it pass yet) in California where if you:
(1) Is 30 or more model-years old.
(2) Was manufactured during or after the 1976 model-year.
(3) Fails a smog test required pursuant to this chapter.
(4) Fails a subsequent smog test after necessary repairs were made.
(b) Payment of the smog abatement fee($200) established pursuant to this section shall be made to the Department of Motor Vehicles at the time of the registration of the motor vehicle.
(c) Fees collected pursuant to this section shall be deposited in the Air Quality Improvement Fund created by Section 44274.5.
Don't know if it work if you swap in Bostig or 2.5, the CARB rule might still apply which is dumb.
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nacradriver
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: California State Smog Policy - Good News? |
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| alanmacleod2 wrote: |
Just had my Exploder smogged (Los Angeles county)and noticed that it was not put on the machine where the wheels spin but simply hooked--up via a connection under the dashboard. Asked the guy doing the test about it and he said that they are phasing-out that machine for the new plug-in computer. I asked how they will test older vehicles and he said the state of Calif is considering EXEMPTING all pre-1997 vehicles (read: all Vanagons) from smog testing within 3 to 5 years.
Down side: 1) this is in the 'considering' phase and 2) testing may become more stringent in order to get the most older vehicles possible off the road between now and then. However if true, hello Bostig, Subie 2.5, etc.
Anyone heard about this, any thoughts/comments.
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nacradriver
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Don't know if it work if you swap in Bostig or 2.5, the CARB rule might still apply which is dumb. |
Yeah... but if there is no smog check, C.A.R.B, doesn't even come into the picture.
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| Abscate wrote: |
| We got rid of the dyno tests in NY several years ago. That being said, remembering the LA smog of the 70s, you do not want to go back.... |
I remember and it was bad. It is hard to overstate how much the air quality has improved in LA since the old days.
It's funny, today one of the car guys at work was saying that California was going to start inspecting cars back to 1968 to get rid of illegal engine swaps. I don't know where he got that info though.
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| I don't know where he got that info though. |
from a joint?
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| It's funny, today one of the car guys at work was saying that California was going to start inspecting cars back to 1968 to get rid of illegal engine swaps. |
I don't know about that statement, however, California has been giving some of the classic car guys heartburn recently when trying to import non-US model cars built between 1968 and 1974. Some of the auction houses have been labeling 68-74 cars sold in California (that were not already registered here) with the following disclaimer:
“Please note that due to California emissions, this car can only be offered to a dealer or out-of-state resident.”
1968 through 1974 non-US "grey market" cars used to flow here pretty easily before. Now California has apparently been revisiting these rules:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/knowzone/faq/faq.htm
http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/master_faqs/vehicle_faqs/greymarket_cars_faq.htm
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yiucycle
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Don't know if it work if you swap in Bostig or 2.5, the CARB rule might still apply which is dumb. |
Yeah... but if there is no smog check, C.A.R.B, doesn't even come into the picture. |
The AB 550 still require you to go to smog check.
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nacradriver
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I was talking about this last night with a buddy who seems to know a thing or two about all this crap..
He said, don't hold you breath on AB 550... He also told me to tell you guys and gals to fight and fight like hell if another bill like SB350 hits the floor...
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB350
This could really put the first, second... and final nail in the coffin for the classic car market in California.
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I was talking about this last night with a buddy who seems to know a thing or two about all this crap..
He said, don't hold you breath on AB 550... He also told me to tell you guys and gals to fight and fight like hell if another bill like SB350 hits the floor...
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB350
This could really put the first, second... and final nail in the coffin for the classic car market in California. |
What did I miss? I read through that Bill and I did not see the connection between CPUC regulated power generators and End Users with classic car market. |
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bluebus86
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There is a new bill AB 550(dont't know if it pass yet) in California where if you:
(1) Is 30 or more model-years old.
(2) Was manufactured during or after the 1976 model-year.
(3) Fails a smog test required pursuant to this chapter.
(4) Fails a subsequent smog test after necessary repairs were made.
(b) Payment of the smog abatement fee($200) established pursuant to this section shall be made to the Department of Motor Vehicles at the time of the registration of the motor vehicle.
(c) Fees collected pursuant to this section shall be deposited in the Air Quality Improvement Fund created by Section 44274.5.
Don't know if it work if you swap in Bostig or 2.5, the CARB rule might still apply which is dumb. |
that is bad shit, the only way out is to pay a smog penalty fee. once they do this, they will say how come the older pre 1976 cars are not paying that fee. ok they will fix that and charge al the old cars a smog fee. good ole moombeam Jerry Brown has stated a goal of cutting our gasoline fuel use in half in a few years, he will be pushing electric cars and doing everything he can to make gasoline cars too expensive to own. of course that is the problem with electric cars, they need to be pushed.
anyway this is a very bad proposed law. Contact your state representatives and tell them to vote no on this abortion of a law.
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bluebus86
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I was talking about this last night with a buddy who seems to know a thing or two about all this crap..
He said, don't hold you breath on AB 550... He also told me to tell you guys and gals to fight and fight like hell if another bill like SB350 hits the floor...
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB350
This could really put the first, second... and final nail in the coffin for the classic car market in California. |
whow that is a big assed bill, I pulled this out of it.
SEC. 32. Section 740.12 is added to the Public Utilities Code, to read:
740.12. (a) (1) The Legislature finds and declares all of the following:
(A) Advanced clean vehicles and fuels are needed to reduce petroleum use, to meet air quality standards, to improve public health, and to achieve greenhouse gas emissions reduction goals.
(B) Widespread transportation electrification is needed to achieve the goals of the Charge Ahead California Initiative (Chapter 8.5 (commencing with Section 44258) of Part 5 of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code).
(C) Widespread transportation electrification requires increased access for disadvantaged communities, low- and moderate-income communities, and other consumers of zero-emission and near-zero-emission vehicles, and increased use of those vehicles in those communities and by other consumers to enhance air quality, lower greenhouse gases emissions, and promote overall benefits to those communities and other consumers.
(D) Reducing emissions of greenhouse gases to 40 percent below 1990 levels by 2030 and to 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050 will require widespread transportation electrification.
(E) Widespread transportation electrification requires electrical corporations to increase access to the use of electricity as a transportation fuel.
(F) Widespread transportation electrification should stimulate innovation and competition, enable consumer options in charging equipment and services, attract private capital investments, and create high-quality jobs for Californians, where technologically feasible.
(G) Deploying electric vehicles should assist in grid management, integrating generation from eligible renewable energy resources, and reducing fuel costs for vehicle drivers who charge in a manner consistent with electrical grid conditions.
(H) Deploying electric vehicle charging infrastructure should facilitate increased sales of electric vehicles by making charging easily accessible and should provide the opportunity to access electricity as a fuel that is cleaner and less costly than gasoline or other fossil fuels in public and private locations.
(I) According to the State Alternative Fuels Plan analysis by the Energy Commission and the State Air Resources Board, light-, medium-, and heavy-duty vehicle electrification results in approximately 70 percent fewer greenhouse gases emitted, over 85 percent fewer ozone-forming air pollutants emitted, and 100 percent fewer petroleum used. These reductions will become larger as renewable generation increases.
(2) It is the policy of the state and the intent of the Legislature to encourage transportation electrification as a means to achieve ambient air quality standards and the state’s climate goals. Agencies designing and implementing regulations, guidelines, plans, and funding programs to reduce greenhouse gas emissions shall take the findings described in paragraph (1) into account.
(b) The commission, in consultation with the State Air Resources Board and the Energy Commission, shall direct electrical corporations to file applications for programs and investments to accelerate widespread transportation electrification to reduce dependence on petroleum, meet air quality standards, achieve the goals set forth in the Charge Ahead California Initiative (Chapter 8.5 (commencing with Section 44258) of Part 5 of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code), and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases to 40 percent below 1990 levels by 2030 and to 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. Programs proposed by electrical corporations shall seek to minimize overall costs and maximize overall benefits. The commission shall approve, or modify and approve, programs and investments in transportation electrification, including those that deploy charging infrastructure, via a reasonable cost recovery mechanism, if they are consistent with this section, do not unfairly compete with nonutility enterprises as required under Section 740.3, include performance accountability measures, and are in the interests of ratepayers as defined in Section 740.8.
(c) The commission shall review data concerning current and future electric transportation adoption and charging infrastructure utilization prior to authorizing an electrical corporation to collect new program costs related to transportation electrification in customer rates. If market barriers unrelated to the investment made by an electric corporation prevent electric transportation from adequately utilizing available charging infrastructure, the commission shall not permit additional investments in transportation electrification without a reasonable showing that the investments would not result in long-term stranded costs recoverable from ratepayers.
So the state will mandate electric cars, with special help for "disadvantaged communities" I guess not only will I be helping to pay for a millionaire's $100,000 Tesla, I will also get to help buy a poor single mother crack whore her own electric tricycle!!! got to love socialism.
also we have to cut fuel burn by almost half in 15 years, despite a projected growing state population during that time, great. I know how they will do it, they have already stated how, they will tax fuel so you cant afford to burn it.
bastards!!!! 
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davevickery
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bastards!!!! |
Electric vehicles charged up by next generation nuclear power plants is the future. Amazing stuff, science. |
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Chuey
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I guess not only will I be helping to pay for a millionaire's $100,000 Tesla, I will also get to help buy a poor single mother crack whore her own electric tricycle!!! got to love socialism.[/b]
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Is it a surprise that I knew who wrote this before checking back up to the top to see who posted it? Well, no.
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