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notchboy
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 Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:06 pm Post subject: 64 & 65 Seat Material - Make it, Buy it! |
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Ok,
Lets get into what we know about reproduction of the seat materials for the 64-65 Type 3 Squareback and Notchback.
The original cord materials came in vinyl and cloth. Dependent on your year and exterior color and final M Code spec for what came in your car when new - the options will vary.
Scott, Pedro and Bob have the most to input on this. I think this reproduction and exploration of costs to do multiple vinyl, cloth and different colors should be popular enough to do.
Unlike the salt and pepper run that heavily catered to notchbacks - as there were more and are more in restoration or in need of new material - the 64-65 S range has a good number of notchback but way more squarebacks to throw in the pile.
What do we know so far? Who are all the companies that can do this (more than one)?
If we succeed at this do we then go for Door Panels - uppers and lowers?
What say you?
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ataraxia
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As mentioned in the other thread, start with Grey Cord, Silver Cord and Brown Cord in cloth and leatherette because it covers the largest population of cars, then if it's feasible, move into the lower demand colors like Olive Cord, Mesh Grey, Mesh Red, etc. If the lower demand colors don't make it, I'll just put the Grey or Silver Cord in my 65 N.
The only color that's in both years is Olive Cord for Safari Beige cars, so they're mostly one year runs.
EDIT: Fixed! Busted by Pedro
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pedro sainz
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| As mentioned in the other thread, start with Grey Cord and Brown Cord in cloth and leatherette because it covers the largest population of cars, then if it's feasible, move into the lower demand colors like Silver Cord, Mesh Grey, Mesh Red, etc. If the lower demand colors don't make it, I'll just put the Grey Cord in my 65 N. |
Grey cord vinyl or Cloth was a 64 Only
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pedro sainz
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this is what i started the make of the Grey Cord Cloth
took 1 year and 8 months and we almost got it
still need a little more Samples and time to get it right
until i got my Birth Certificate year later
calls for Grey Cord leatherette
lost interest on the Cloth
this Cloth is Aval at SMS in STOCK $125 a yard ( left picture)
the right picture is an Original Cloth
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i got this instead because B-Certificate calls for
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ataraxia
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i got this instead because B-Certificate calls for |
Did you make it or buy it? I've got the correct NOS rear seat material for my 64 S but not for the front seats.
I need both front and back seats for the 65 N. |
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pedro sainz
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| pedro sainz wrote: |
i got this instead because B-Certificate calls for |
Did you make it or buy it? I've got the correct NOS rear seat material for my 64 S but not for the front seats.
I need both front and back seats for the 65 N. |
bought it
after the B- certificate i e mail SMS and ask and send a picture of the Grey Cord Leatherette and they had 5 yards left and bought ALL
my SOLID Vinyl and piping are Original 50 years Old
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| pedro sainz wrote: |
| ataraxia wrote: |
| pedro sainz wrote: |
i got this instead because B-Certificate calls for |
Did you make it or buy it? I've got the correct NOS rear seat material for my 64 S but not for the front seats.
I need both front and back seats for the 65 N. |
bought it
after the B- certificate i e mail SMS and ask and send a picture of the Grey Cord Leatherette and they had 5 yards left and bought ALL
my SOLID Vinyl and piping are Original 50 years Old |
Anything left of it? Just need two front seats!  |
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pedro sainz
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| ataraxia wrote: |
| pedro sainz wrote: |
| ataraxia wrote: |
| pedro sainz wrote: |
i got this instead because B-Certificate calls for |
Did you make it or buy it? I've got the correct NOS rear seat material for my 64 S but not for the front seats.
I need both front and back seats for the 65 N. |
bought it
after the B- certificate i e mail SMS and ask and send a picture of the Grey Cord Leatherette and they had 5 yards left and bought ALL
my SOLID Vinyl and piping are Original 50 years Old |
Anything left of it? Just need two front seats! |
Sorry i used the small pieces to make Tool Bags
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: 64 & 65 Seat Material - Make it, Buy it! |
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| notchboy wrote: |
Ok,
Lets get into what we know about reproduction of the seat materials for the 64-65 Type 3 Squareback and Notchback.
The original cord materials came in vinyl and cloth. Dependent on your year and exterior color and final M Code spec for what came in your car when new - the options will vary.
Scott, Pedro and Bob have the most to input on this. I think this reproduction and exploration of costs to do multiple vinyl, cloth and different colors should be popular enough to do.
Unlike the salt and pepper run that heavily catered to notchbacks - as there were more and are more in restoration or in need of new material - the 64-65 S range has a good number of notchback but way more squarebacks to throw in the pile.
What do we know so far? Who are all the companies that can do this (more than one)?
If we succeed at this do we then go for Door Panels - uppers and lowers?
What say you? |
SMS will make any Fabric vinyl or Cloth
6 yards Min order and be patience might take up to 2 years
if you guys plan of getting more yards than there Min. order Done
might take less and require Paid in Full amount
2 years is Better than not have any the rest of your life
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| What is the information on SMS amigo? |
this is just 1 of 8 rows
and this is 1 wall of 7
SMS Auto Fabrics
350 South Redwood St.
Canby, OR 97013 (Map)
Phone: (503) 263-3535
Fax: (503) 263-3525
Mon-Fri 8:30-5:00 PST
ask for Doug he is the Owner
http://www.smsautofabrics.com/contact.php
Thanks Rick Christensen for taking this pictures
we both had a Fantastic Tour
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Very cool to see this thread I'll be watching I know this is in the early stages and sounds like Pedro may have some samples already but if you need samples let me know I have
71) Brown Cord Leatherette
70) Grey Cord Leatherette
50) Grey Cord Cloth
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This is Aval NOW at SMS
buy it while is
in Stock
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While we're on the topic of seat material production and SMS, can Pedro add details to this thread about the heat seam process done by the same company? I know people talking about having fabric made are months away from worrying about this detail but I thought it was related enough to include in this thread.
Did SMS keep a digital file of where the heat seams are to go on the front and rear seats or do they only put a seam where I indicate on the fabric itself?
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While we're on the topic of seat material production and SMS, can Pedro add details to this thread about the heat seam process done by the same company? I know people talking about having fabric made are months away from worrying about this detail but I thought it was related enough to include in this thread.
Did SMS keep a digital file of where the heat seams are to go on the front and rear seats or do they only put a seam where I indicate on the fabric itself? |
Excellent question! I'm interested to know the same. |
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This is Aval NOW at SMS
buy it while is
in Stock |
PM me the details of this stuff...stock number at SMS. I don't need a lot but would like to get what I can use. It's only in the frunk of my cars AFAIK.
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A couple years ago I was working with SMS on the 73 red cord pattern leatherette for my 64. It was a lot of back and forth and I sent him one of my original door pockets for a sample- he kept sending samples and saying it could be dyed to match but it seems like we were just getting further and further away from what I wanted. I feel like the distance made the project difficult and eventually I lacked the intestinal fortitude to continue on and i gave up and had TMI make me a custom set from red mesh.
Even after my second interior in 10 years, I would still be down if the correct 73 red cord pattern could be made/found. Problem is I don't think there is much demand for this material.
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The door pockets were sent because i was also trying to find the red lower material.
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