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Karzapart55 Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2004 Posts: 640 Location: Old Bridge NJ
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:49 am Post subject: Gen idiot light help |
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My 72 bus gen light glowed very slightly when running. at idle had 12.6 at the battery. I thought it was a poor ground at the dash socket. removed the wire, took a small lamp with jumpers, one to blue wire one side to ground. No light. I took a temp wire from reg to idiot light still nothing Any ideas? |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51149 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:57 am Post subject: |
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The charge light doesn't "ground" anywhere, both the wire from the regulator (blue) and the insulated metal area the bulb holder snaps into (black #15) are positive power, when one wire makes more or less voltage then the other the bulb lights. A glowing light indicates weak connections somewhere between the back of the bus and the front, often more than just one. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Karzapart55 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Bus Daddy, its starting to make sense. so if I put a test lead from 15 on the coil to one leg on the blue wire from reg it should work? |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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If you put a test light between #15 and the blue wire it should light when stopped and go out when running, don't put power directly to the regulator. Or a light between the blue wire and ground should light when running, but remember the alternator requires the backfeed of voltage through the bulb to supply the exitement to begin charging so start with the ground clip of the test light on some positive source of power. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3555 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Tests: measure the voltage between the regulator D+ terminal and battery "+", and (using a long wire) between battery "+" and the 12 volt black feeder to the idiot lights mounting plate. Both should be zero. One of them won't be. Clean, wiggle, and tighten connections between the alternator/regulator, starter, and the front of the bus. One or more connections need help. Sometimes it's caused by a failing ignition switch.
Explanation: the ALT/GEN idiot light assumes the buss voltage at the front of the bus is exactly the same as at the battery. If not (e.g., there's a voltage drop in the path), the ALT/GEN light will glow slightly. _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
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Karzapart55 Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2004 Posts: 640 Location: Old Bridge NJ
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:21 am Post subject: |
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I ran a new blue 16ga wire from the regulator to the dash. I hooked up a test light between the blue wire and the fuse feeding ignition terminal 15. Have bright light with ign on, but glows slightly when running, and no rise in voltage at batt. How can I test alt? I also tried with 2 different regulators, no difference |
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telford dorr Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:45 am Post subject: |
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I ran a new blue 16ga wire from the regulator to the dash. I hooked up a test light between the blue wire and the fuse feeding ignition terminal 15. Have bright light with ign on, but glows slightly when running, and no rise in voltage at batt. |
So: what was the running battery voltage? Should be somewhere between 13.8 and 14.4 vdc.
Run a temporary wire overland from the battery to the front of the bus. Measure the voltage between this wire and the mounting plate which holds the GEN/ALT light (engine running at idle). The voltage should be zero, but I'll bet it's not.
If the meter doesn't read zero, then you have a voltage drop between the battery and the bus dash wiring. Disconnect the battery. Starting at the starter, loosen and clean the connections on the red/white power feeder wire going forward from the big lug on the starter. The other end of the wire should be at the fuse block. The power passes through a buss bar on the fuse block to a red wire which goes to the ignition switch. From there, it travels via a black wire back to the fuse block, passes through a fuse, then travels via a smaller black wire to the gauge cluster. You need to disconnect and clean each connection along this path. Make sure they're tight on reassembly.
If this doesn't fix it, measure the voltage drop across the ignition switch, red wire to black wire, at the junction block. Again, it should be zero. If not, the ignition switch is making a poor connection internally, and should be replaced.
Any poor connection along this route of travel will add voltage drop. This voltage difference between the dash and the engine is what makes the lamp glow slightly. _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
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Karzapart55 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, I'll try that tomorrow Had enough today, gonna go watch the Giants! |
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Karzapart55 Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2004 Posts: 640 Location: Old Bridge NJ
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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:53 am Post subject: Re: idiot light help |
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Thanks to all who helped. It was the ring terminal on the alt. to starter wire. It was tight , but oxidized inside. replaced terminal, cleaned all starter connection, and im back in business Thanks again |
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