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silkvw Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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Thanks for the questions.
I have the idiot light, it came on, and an oil pressure gauge. The gauge went to zero when the light came on. I did check that their wires were tight at the engine. I'll remove the sender and crank it over to see what happens and report back.
I have had worse problems with my truck, it's still shiny side up.
The bus is almost ready for the Big Bend trip, so I'm not without wheels. _________________ '64 single cab Big Bend Bus Bash 2015 '16
'59 camper BBBB 2017 '18 '19 '20 '22 New Mexico
'70 Ghia........Bonneville,........TX Mile,........142 mph......(sold)
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silkvw Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 453 Location: Elgin, TX
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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I removed the sender cranked twice no oil third time a little oil. So I replaced the sender with the one from my bus fired up the engine and no oil pressure on gauge and idiot light still stays on. I was excited for a while but now think it’s internal.
Next step? _________________ '64 single cab Big Bend Bus Bash 2015 '16
'59 camper BBBB 2017 '18 '19 '20 '22 New Mexico
'70 Ghia........Bonneville,........TX Mile,........142 mph......(sold)
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24733 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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Pull oil pump cover off. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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Oil pressure is s mechanical thing. If the engine turns the crank turns the cam and the cam turns the oil pump. Un-less it's something like a really bad oil leak somewhere or the engage tab on the oil pump drive shaft has ground off or the gear is spinning on the shaft (gear spinning on the shaft would not cause metal filings so that would be a good thing to find). If you reve a cold vw engine with heavy summer oil like 30 weight some times the gear shaft of the oil pump will sheer. If so it left steel filings in your engine and it would be wise to completely take it apart and blow all the metal filings out of the case and crank and push rod tubes. Probably just get a different oil cooler as a piece of steel could hang up inside it and come out sometime in the engines future. I don't know maybe you run a oil filter then it's ok just clean things up change the oil install a new oil pump run lighter oil and it should be good. (Well if it did not mess up the cam too bad!) No Full Flow filter with steel tab sheer on steel cam = full engine disassembly and clean up.
Let's hope it does not look like this:
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Danwvw Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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I see on this thread where you installed a oil filter and perhaps a deep sump if so that deep sump pickup tube might be sucking air above the oil level. Pretty easy to bump it and cause a air leak. Not sure as I have never done a repair to one but probably will require splitting the case? _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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silkvw Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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Thanks Eric & Barb and Danwvw. I plan to do each thing as I get the time. Right now I'm getting my camper bus ready for our Big Bend trip. Dec.26 to Dec. 30. And, of course family time this time of year.
My sc engine has the oil filter that is attached at the oil pump cover and a 1 1/2 Qt. oil sump. So, the problem may be there. _________________ '64 single cab Big Bend Bus Bash 2015 '16
'59 camper BBBB 2017 '18 '19 '20 '22 New Mexico
'70 Ghia........Bonneville,........TX Mile,........142 mph......(sold)
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Danwvw Samba Member
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silkvw Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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Danwvw wrote: |
Could this thing be messed up?
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That valve is on my '59 camper bus that I am planing on taking to the Shasta Snow Trip. My daily driver '64 single cab is the one with the loss of oil pressure. I'm sorry I may be making the problem a little confusing, two VW's on one thread. The single cab does not have the valve and remote oil cooler. It does have a type 4 oil cooler and an oil filter on the engine. _________________ '64 single cab Big Bend Bus Bash 2015 '16
'59 camper BBBB 2017 '18 '19 '20 '22 New Mexico
'70 Ghia........Bonneville,........TX Mile,........142 mph......(sold)
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Danwvw Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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So when the oil pump drive sheers off broken tang etc... it is because the engine was reved real high with thick oil. What oil are you running? Winter time oil? At least go to 20 weight if your a straight weight oil guy. But 5W30 or 0w40 would be my choice.
In this 1st photo of a sheered tang this could have resulted from thick oil but also it did not engage enough. It's a missmatched oil pump. The tang should set deep into the cam slot for it.
(In the next two photos it shows cam to oil pump fit being checked during case assembly) If the engine is already assembled and the oil pump fit has not been checked, then very carfull meaurements can be taken 3rd Photo.) (Modling clay may be used to check fit pretty easy.)
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williamM Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2008 Posts: 4333 Location: southwest Arizona
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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The gears of the oil pump are pressed on the shaft- so it is possible for the shaft to dis-engage the pump gear (maybe due to heat, or poor manufacturer) and leave the shaft free to migrate away from the cam. _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
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silkvw Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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I still haven't been able to check out the oil pressure problem. Busy time of year with the family.
We leave tomorrow morning at 7:30 for Big Bend. The bus is ready, as far as I can tell, I'll find out this week.
Just in case:
I'm trying to keep the cab toasty warm for the trip with a temp divider. I used a split bus rear glass for a sliding window. 1/4" plywood.
All but one curtain is up too. Used a blanket from Mexico.
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'59 camper BBBB 2017 '18 '19 '20 '22 New Mexico
'70 Ghia........Bonneville,........TX Mile,........142 mph......(sold)
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kombisutra Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2003 Posts: 4127 Location: San Anselmo, 10 miles North Of San Francisco
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:43 am Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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That is a great idea! I've seen a lot of "clever" efforts to reproduce some kind of divider, but that right there... that's the first time I've seen that! |
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rennie Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2016 Posts: 246 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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...and on the Shasta trip, is the 'sliding' window snugly mounted so it doesn't move one way or the other on side sloped terrain? |
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silkvw Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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rennie wrote: |
...and on the Shasta trip, is the 'sliding' window snugly mounted so it doesn't move one way or the other on side sloped terrain? |
I got back this afternoon from the Big Bend Bus Bash. I'll add a trip report tomorrow, I'm kind of tired.
However, to answer your concern about the glass sliding, it fits tight, so takes some effort to move it, even with talcum powder lube. I did add some weather strip on each side to keep the air from the back out, so right now it doesn't move. We were off road some on our trip this week, and the glass didn't move at all.
I may modify the track so the glass slides only one way. And a rubber stop on the other end.
This was our best camping spot. A mile or two of gravel and rocks to get there in the State Park. Those are the mountains in Mexico in the background.
My bus ran fine, by the way. No problems. 1100 miles round trip.
8 buses at the start. _________________ '64 single cab Big Bend Bus Bash 2015 '16
'59 camper BBBB 2017 '18 '19 '20 '22 New Mexico
'70 Ghia........Bonneville,........TX Mile,........142 mph......(sold)
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kombisutra Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2003 Posts: 4127 Location: San Anselmo, 10 miles North Of San Francisco
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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Approve. |
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Longboardluv Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2014 Posts: 934 Location: Austin TX
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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The "Elgin Brick" did a fantasic jobs on it's 1000 plus journey on the #BigBendBusBash III!
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kombisutra Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2003 Posts: 4127 Location: San Anselmo, 10 miles North Of San Francisco
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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Congratulations on the Brick's solid performance. Speaking of performance, by now someone has mentioned the obvious, with a three to five thousand mile trip in front of you, investing in the proper 15" bus wheels and correct diameter tires will increase your mileage, airspeed, engine life, and, because this trip cannot be all about us, the Brick's increased attractive mating potential with chick buses. Properly shod, he'll certainly be able to bag that cute, pudgy, 1967esk chrome adorned little socialite bus back up in the trees just outside of the campfire's glow.
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khalimadeath Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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Those tires are hawt! Im gonna have to pick me up a set! _________________ The United States Constitution
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silkvw Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Texas to Shasta Snow Trip 2017 1959 Bus |
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Yesterday, I got the oil drain cover plate off the engine. Man it was cold working out there in the carport. The oil pick up tube is still in place and mounted solid. I didn't see any metal shavings or pieces on the cover plate either.
So today my neighbor and wife helped me get the pick up into the heated shop. I got to the point of needing to remove the crank pulley, but don't have a puller for it. Or, a puller for the oil pump, so called my son and a VW friend. No luck, so I'll order the tools asap. _________________ '64 single cab Big Bend Bus Bash 2015 '16
'59 camper BBBB 2017 '18 '19 '20 '22 New Mexico
'70 Ghia........Bonneville,........TX Mile,........142 mph......(sold)
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