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Gerrelt Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2004 Posts: 682 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:13 pm Post subject: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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Hoi!
Does anyone know what the meaning is of the small vertical number on the VIN plate? I mean the VIN plate that's in the front of the beetle, near the spare wheel. In the standard beetle behind the spare wheel, and for the 1302 and 1303 super beetles on the front edge of the trunk.
The number is at least present on the plates of the 1970s (beginning?) beetles.
This is the number from a standard beetle (1300) from 1973, number 102:
And this is the number from a 1972 super beetle (model year 1973), number 183:
I miss the type plate for my super beetle, and I want to make a reproduction. But I don't know what that number should be. It probably does not matter what number I use, but I was curious for its meaning.
The first digit (1) probably means the type 1 VW. _________________ homepage
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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Now I am gonna have to go out and see what numbers are on the plate. Hopefully there will be a reasonable explanation. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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I can tell you that number is not on my 69 so they must have started with the 70 year models _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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Gerrelt Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2004 Posts: 682 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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Yeah, I think they started doing this in the seventees.
Today I received my reproduction plates:
I am happy with it!
Allthough it's not like the original, I think it will look good on the car. _________________ homepage
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Gerrelt Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2004 Posts: 682 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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The final result:
I am happy with it.
I never found the meaning of the 3 digit vertical number, though.. _________________ homepage
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Bama Dave Samba Member
Joined: April 19, 2015 Posts: 963 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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I am hoping to see some of the older (wiser?) guys chime in here in what those numbers mean. _________________ David Richerson
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Rome Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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I don't know what the 3 digits in the circles mean... And this is after 30 active years with aircooleds.
But just for fun, take a look at the 3-digit number on your plate to the left of the hood latch; that looks like this-
If the 3 digits are the same as on your VIN plate, then I know what the connection is. |
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Never Convicted Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2014 Posts: 6 Location: Moorpark, CA
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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"Today I received my reproduction plates: "
Received from where ? |
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Gerrelt Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2004 Posts: 682 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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From a laser engraving shop.
@Rome: I will check it if I get the chance, but I think it was a different number. _________________ homepage
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bnam Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2006 Posts: 2936 Location: El Dorado Hills CA/ Bangalore, India
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:32 am Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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I'd like to know what these numbers stand for as well. Surprised that I not already known.
My '71 1302LS (RHD) vert has "156"
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Gerrelt Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2004 Posts: 682 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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Thanks for sharing your number, bnam!
I am still curious too, and I did some investigation.
My theory is that the first 2 numbers designate the model, and the last one tells something about the engine and/or luxury level.
And these model numbers I've discovered:
10: standard beetle
14: standard beetle? (strange number from India)
15: super beetle 1302 (first type?)
16: super beetle 1302 (second type?)
18: super beetle 1303
The third number could mean:
1: 1200 cc engine
2: 1300 cc engine
4: ??
3: automatic?
5: "S" model, 1600 cc engine
6: "LS" model, luxury and 1600 cc engine
But this third number is more vague then the model numbers...
Please see for yourself, and make your own conclusions.
This is all based on these numbers I found on the internet and my own numbers:
101 Standard beetle, Probably 1200 cc, modelyear 1974, the Netherlands
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/103458.jpg
101 Standard beetle, 1200 cc, modelyear 1974, the Netherlands
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/37113.jpg
102 Standard beetle, Probably 1300 ccc, modelyear 1970, the Netherlands
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz299/hpdeman/PA300258.jpg
102 Standard beetle, 1300 cc, modelyear 1973, the Netherlands
http://images.gerrelt.nl/misc/vraag_nummer_typeplaatje/typeplaatje_1300_1973_nummer.jpg
144 Standard beetle, 1300 cc, modelyear 1972, LHD, sunroof, plate in French, found in India
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/post-war...-plate.jpg
This is an oddball number, and the number is hardly readable, but it is 144 according to the forum thread:
155 Super beetle 1302 S, 1600 cc, modelyear 1971, RHD, British
http://i351.photobucket.com/albums/q472/neelkavia/Mobile%20Uploads/20150824_083004.jpg
155 Super beetle 1302 S, 1600 cc, modelyear 1971, RHD, British
http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy114/bazibbo/1...pr3vx5.jpg
155 Super beetle 1302, engine unknown, modelyear 1971, America?
http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Volkswagen/71-VW_SuperBeetle-DV-08_HHCC_e01.jpg
156 Super beetle 1302 LS, 1600 cc, convertible, modelyear 1971, RHD, America?
Thesamba user "bnam"
156 Super beetle 1302 LS, 1600 cc, convertible, modelyear 1971, Germany
http://www.chris-notes.com/wp-content/gallery/2011...sauber.jpg
163 Super beetle 1302, 1200 cc, modelyear 1972, Italy (has Italy-only 1200 cc engine, because of taxes)
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff186/doctorsatansrobot/1302/20150728_201548_zpshgmqczxq.jpg
183 Super beetle 1303 automatic, 1600 cc(?), modelyear 1973, sunroof, Germany
http://images.gerrelt.nl/misc/vraag_nummer_typeplaatje/typeplaatje_1303_1972_nummer.jpg _________________ homepage
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GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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another theory could be that those numbers are a part number for the plate itself. thus, the type id may just be the first number "1" (i have seen type 3 plates having a "3" there) while the others identify the different information pre-stamped on the plate; if we limit our observation to weights, we have:
01 - 1140 490 710
02 - 1200 490 730
44 - 1200 and trailer weight (in french)
55 - 1270 530 760
56 - 1280 530 760
63 - 1270 and nothing else
83 - 1290 540 760
the second two digits (or even the entire number) may be a progressive code assigned to the different types of plate to be later used on the line to punch the VIN of the car. _________________ cars:
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'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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bnam Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2006 Posts: 2936 Location: El Dorado Hills CA/ Bangalore, India
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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The plate on the car from India reads 166 not 144.
Interesting thing about that plate. For Typ it says 117AB1 -- instead of just 11 or 15. What do the remaining items indicate?
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Maddel Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:00 am Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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For what it's worth...
These numbers seem do be on other typ VWs too, eg.:
Typ 17 (Golf 1 aka Rabbit)
Typ 183 (Iltis)
http://forum.vw-183.de/read.php?5,9778,9940
By the way, I wrote e-mails to www.volkswagen-classicparts.de and [email protected] asking them about the meaning of these digits.
It was of no avail. They have no clue and in their replys they referred to each other as an alternative contact to clarify the issue.
Quite indifferent and I kind of expected this outcome...
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Gerrelt Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2004 Posts: 682 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:03 am Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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bnam wrote: |
The plate on the car from India reads 166 not 144.
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Yeah, at first I thought that too, but the owner writes in that thread:
"The ID badge says “Made in Germany”, Type 11 / AB 1. Number “144” is written from bottom-up on the left hand side."
And when you look at it, it could be two fours. The number 4 on these plates is written a bit differrent with an opening at the top right. That makes it look like a 6.
Look, for example, at the 4 on this plate, at the beginning of the chassis number, 114.
Maddel wrote: |
By the way, I wrote e-mails to www.volkswagen-classicparts.de and [email protected] asking them about the meaning of these digits.
It was of no avail. They have no clue and in their replys they referred to each other as an alternative contact to clarify the issue.
Quite indifferent and I kind of expected this outcome... |
Yeah, I know what you mean. The support on these matters isn't the best from Volkswagen AG...
GArBa wrote: |
another theory could be that those numbers are a part number for the plate itself. thus, the type id may just be the first number "1" (i have seen type 3 plates having a "3" there) while the others identify the different information pre-stamped on the plate; if we limit our observation to weights, we have:
01 - 1140 490 710
02 - 1200 490 730
44 - 1200 and trailer weight (in french)
55 - 1270 530 760
56 - 1280 530 760
63 - 1270 and nothing else
83 - 1290 540 760
the second two digits (or even the entire number) may be a progressive code assigned to the different types of plate to be later used on the line to punch the VIN of the car. |
Yes, this could very well be it, sounds very logical.
One thing that bothers me though, the third number of the chassisnumber is embossed. That number is the model year number and changes every modelyear.
So the 3 digit number would only be significant for the weights and the type, but not the modelyear.
But I think your theory is better than mine! _________________ homepage
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Maddel Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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Gerrelt wrote: |
GArBa wrote: |
Another theory could be that those numbers are a part number for the plate itself.
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the second two digits (or even the entire number) may be a progressive code assigned to the different types of plate to be later used on the line to punch the VIN of the car. |
Yes, this could very well be it, sounds very logical.
One thing that bothers me though, the third number of the chassisnumber is embossed. That number is the model year number and changes every modelyear.
So the 3 digit number would only be significant for the weights and the type, but not the modelyear.
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The weights of a type don't necessarily change with the model year.
And the later Beetle's heating sytem (Heizg. Typ) basically never changed AFAIK.
So IMHO "GArBa" is quite close to the solution!
By the way on my vin plate the number reads 155.
So according to your research may be 155 is supposed to be the "Vin Plate ID" for the 1302 Super Beetles.
And 156 for the 1302 convertibles.
Samba folks if you read this, please go and check your vin plate and post that number in question along with basic info about your VW.
It's all about collecting data... |
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Ttauriola Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:39 am Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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Here is a picture of my friends 1972 model year 1302 LS (convertible) VIN plate.
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ricaroo Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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Rome wrote: |
I don't know what the 3 digits in the circles mean... And this is after 30 active years with aircooleds.
But just for fun, take a look at the 3-digit number on your plate to the left of the hood latch; that looks like this-
If the 3 digits are the same as on your VIN plate, then I know what the connection is. |
Is this site of any help?
http://www.sebeetles.com/production-plates/ _________________ 1971 Standard Beetle 2 dr Sedan 1600dp |
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Rome Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:35 am Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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Thanks for the link, ricaroo. Yes, I was aware that the 3 horizontal digits determined the production date of the car. I was actually hoping that the 2 or 3 vertically stamped numbers which are often found on the left end of that tag (but not shown in my shot above) would've been the same as those on the OP's tag. |
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GArBa Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Meaning of 3 digit vertical number on VIN plate? |
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Ttauriola's pic seems to confirm my theory, just now I noticed I made an error in reading the pic at the beginning of the thread and the linked "156" plate should be corrected as below...
GArBa wrote: |
01 - 1140 490 710
02 - 1200 490 730
44 - 1200 and trailer weight (in french)
55 - 1270 530 760
56 - 1280 540 760
63 - 1270 and nothing else
83 - 1290 540 760
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I still like my theory. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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'82 Benelli Magnum 3v |
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