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ClassicCamper
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 Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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It was a toggle switch. Spit and chewing gum. I dont have a switch for reference.
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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| ClassicCamper wrote: |
| It was a toggle switch. Spit and chewing gum. I dont have a switch for reference. |
So....how many wires to that toggle switch? Was it just a two wire running the headlights?.....or also running the marker lights?
Take a look at the thread......"411-412 headlight switch service and repair"......its about 7 lines up from the bottom of the page.
If you match up your year with the wiring diagram in the Haynes to get a year mark for what your wiring diagram "should" be. The switch that matches up with anything that is 412 (not 411) and is US spec......but NOT 1974. So that is listed by Haynes as VW 411 to include early 412......as FROM August of 1971. That part number of switch should be 411 941 531 A. There are at least three versions of this switch.....one that CAN fit both US 411 and US 412 up to August of 1973......but it really depends on which wires you have to run to the switch.
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ClassicCamper
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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The wires were in a nest of wire nuts, tape and tie wraps to the toggle switch. I have the color wiring diagram from the samba hanging on the wall. At this point, I am at a loss what my switch is.
I DID just find what I believe to be the 'body' of my original switch. It was acttually in my door panel. Here it is: (or was)
There are 7 terminals on it.
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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Yep....that should be the one. Now....the queation is....why did the PO believe it needed to be replaced?
Do you have the knob or a knob you can actuate the switch with?
Read through that thread. This part....just like the gas flap cable is one of those that really needs to have preventative work done on unless you want to try to retrofit a tylpe 3 switch. Ray |
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ClassicCamper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:34 am Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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What you see is what I have. Well, except for a sliver shaft attached to nothing. It must of self-destructed and they never found the parts. I read the rebuild string and have none of the insides. Plus, there is no hole behind my switch body. Ugh.
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:53 am Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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| ClassicCamper wrote: |
| What you see is what I have. Well, except for a sliver shaft attached to nothing. It must of self-destructed and they never found the parts. I read the rebuild string and have none of the insides. Plus, there is no hole behind my switch body. Ugh. |
No...thats good. The one with the hole sucks. And...unless that switch has been disassembled...the guts should be in it. If the shaft is the around....even without knob....you can screw it in and see if the switch slides at all.
If its never been opened....it can likely be refurbed. I have spare knobs if you need one. Ray |
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ClassicCamper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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That's all I have.  The terminals just lift off the top and expose the inside of the switch body which is empty.
I just laid the brown part of the switch on top of the body for reference. It has no guts in it.
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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| ClassicCamper wrote: |
That's all I have. The terminals just lift off the top and expose the inside of the switch body which is empty.
I just laid the brown part of the switch on top of the body for reference. It has no guts in it. |
Ah...get it now. I will see what I have for spares when I get home. Ray |
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ClassicCamper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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Thanks a million!
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ClassicCamper
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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I have this switch with my 412 accessories. Not sure what it is. It does pull on and off like a headlight switch.
Can it be retrofitted to act as a headlight?
- Ron
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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That "should" be an emergency flasher switch....but looks like its missing a couple of contacts
I will have to check the part # and diagram. Ray |
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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I cant find that part #.....411 959 631.....anywhere. its clear its a light switch. Its alwo clear its type 4.....both from part # and from the long snout. Its housing is definitely emergency flasher.
It should have 6 or 7 terminals plus the ground terminal on the side. Its not in the parts book. I will look around.
Ray
EDIT: Just dug up a number.......111 959 631 is a heated front windshield switch for late bus.
Also the stock rear window heater grid switch for 411/412 is 411 959 621.
And.....interestingly enough......the parts group "959".....is for the fresh air fan/front defroster air box assembly on the 411/412. This may be an accessory switch for something non-US. Ray |
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ClassicCamper
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:15 am Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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Another interesting thing is that it has two positions when you pull it out (just like the headlight switch would for parking lights and main lights)
It's mounted under the Eberspacher heater switch.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:46 am Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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| ClassicCamper wrote: |
Another interesting thing is that it has two positions when you pull it out (just like the headlight switch would for parking lights and main lights)
It's mounted under the Eberspacher heater switch. |
Any symbol on the face of the knob?
Lars S
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kgarchivinusa
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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It is a fog light Switch.
Greetings Lutz
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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| kgarchivinusa wrote: |
It is a fog light Switch.
Greetings Lutz |
Ooooooh .....very cool! Thank you for the translation! Something new ro learn every day!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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| Would the guts of a Type 3 switch be of any use rebuilding yours? |
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raygreenwood
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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| Would the guts of a Type 3 switch be of any use rebuilding yours? |
Actually....the type 3 switch is functiojally identical.....as well as one type 1 switch as well
.....but....you have to do the mod to make an extender for the snout.
Note that the differences between type 1, 2, 3 headlight switches and emergency flasher switches....and yes.....fog light switches. ....is the length of the barrel that bears against the back of the dash.
This difference is critical for the type 4 because the switches. ...are in recessed cone shaped valleys in the back of the dash. Its most critical for the headlight switch because the wires will contact the metal dash unit and its the fastest way to light your car on fire under the dash.
Its not ro hard of a mod to do.....but finding the tap that fits the screw bezel is difficult.
I detailed this difference in my 411/412 switch thread. Ray |
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ClassicCamper
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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Thanks all, I think I found a headlight switch. Once I get it, I'll refurb it as best as possible via the thread here.
Now, tail light to body seals are a PITA. I ordered 2 SB seals from 'J* Bu*g*s. Nothing like the simgle one I have. They are sub-par and cost over $18. If I can't find a better quality, I'm back to square 1.
Any suggestions as to how to adhere the seal to the housing? I tried RTV black. Total shitshow. Was thinking of a clear adhesive and utilize masking tape to hold seals sto the housing while the adhesive cures. Then, I'm going to have to glue the ends of the seal once they butt up to each other.
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ClassicCamper
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: My 412 these days.. |
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FINALLY! I found a few pairs of 73-79 Beetle/SB tail light seals (German) and they worked awesome. The Brazilian type don't fit.
Here is how it came out:
I needed two late model beetle seals per 412 taillight. I used crazy glue to tack the seal on to the housing. I used maskimg tape to hold seal on snug until the glue set.
After the glue set, i did a test fit. Worked awesome:
I even wet them down to ensure no water got in the assembly. Dry as a bone. Very happy with my setup!
A highly recommended fix.
Ikenupi
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