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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:45 pm    Post subject: FutureVan Reply with quote

you know you want it... or something like it


You can add this active swaybar (which can be found in junkyards; used on the Porsche 'pepperpot' SUV)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

Air Suspension...

http://www.porsche.com/australia/models/cayenne/cayenne-s/chassis/air-suspension/


or rip one off of the newer Jeep Cherokee:

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/wk2_quadralift.htm


- either way, you get self-leveling which helps for sleeping and headlight aim variation with different loads
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

or...

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

I hate to rain on your parade but the electronics behind making those sway bars work are complex and not a retrofit proposition as they require inputs from other control units.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

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I hate to rain on your parade but the electronics behind making those sway bars work are complex and not a retrofit proposition as they require inputs from other control units.


Well, thanks for that.
Sheesh! Interrupting my perfectly good fantasy with truth!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

The only limiting factor for all upgrades will be the budget of the van owner.
Anything is possible Exclamation

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

Which is to say it is impossible.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

some things are impossible, but what we think of as impossible often becomes merely hideously expensive, followed by luxury, then by std. equipment on all cars


Here is an old old idea from the guy who started the whole "VW thing," now coming back into prominence:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:30 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

Merian wrote:
some things are impossible, but what we think of as impossible often becomes merely hideously expensive


Which is why it would be impossible for any VW Vanagon owner. If I'm wrong, someone will chime in and make it possible.

I'm not holding my breath. I've worked with some of the riches people in the worlds vehicles and they are not interested in Vanagons. One of them tried to get a Porsche in the country several years back and could not until the law was changed [somehow he helped changed that too].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

Agree that active swaybar would be a non starter for a retrofit. It relies upon a large data flow from a variety of sensors. The sensors in turn feed a processor, which then tells the powerful swaybar activation what to do. This must happen in real time.

Even if all the components were in place there is no data map for what the system should do for a Vanagon, to assist in its handling. Those maps are created by teams of engineers, track time and simulators.

So, it is a pretty daunting task, and the skills to do it would not likely reside outside of an automaker's suspension engineering department, or a sizable vendor tasked with doing this specifically for the automaker under a spendy contract.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

that won't stop someone from trying to hack one in - it is a VW after all
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:50 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

Oh somebody will hack it. It might not be as sophisticated as the Porsche but someone will.

After Greg got the Subie deisel going I will never say never again.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

Merian wrote:
Air Suspension...

http://www.porsche.com/australia/models/cayenne/cayenne-s/chassis/air-suspension/


or rip one off of the newer Jeep Cherokee:

http://www.wk2jeeps.com/wk2_quadralift.htm


- either way, you get self-leveling which helps for sleeping and headlight aim variation with different loads


All doable now with off the shelf aftermarket components. You might need to fab some brackets etc. But the electronics and sensors are all available.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:14 am    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

I'd just be happy with a sway bar that could be decoupled on the fly.

Which is totally possible, but still not worth it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

Type17 wrote:
I'd just be happy with a sway bar that could be decoupled on the fly.

Which is totally possible, but still not worth it.


Not only possible, but have been mounted to a Syncro of mine for years now.
Pictures have been posted.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

Decoupler = easy peasy. Powered, active swaybar tailored to the Vanagon = nearly impossible without automaker-grade resources.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
Type17 wrote:
I'd just be happy with a sway bar that could be decoupled on the fly.

Which is totally possible, but still not worth it.


Not only possible, but have been mounted to a Syncro of mine for years now.
Pictures have been posted.


http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6685312

These ones?

Any update on these?

Happy New year 2016 by the way Dylan (and others of course: may your projects come to fruition Wink )
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
Type17 wrote:
I'd just be happy with a sway bar that could be decoupled on the fly.
Which is totally possible, but still not worth it.

Not only possible, but have been mounted to a Syncro of mine for years now.
Pictures have been posted.


Any pictures of them actually mounted on the Syncro?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

ALIKA T3 wrote:
insyncro wrote:
Type17 wrote:
I'd just be happy with a sway bar that could be decoupled on the fly.

Which is totally possible, but still not worth it.


Not only possible, but have been mounted to a Syncro of mine for years now.
Pictures have been posted.


http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6685312

These ones?

Any update on these?

Happy New year 2016 by the way Dylan (and others of course: may your projects come to fruition Wink )


The only issue with them is that they are NLA from the fabricator that built them.
The last I had heard is that he had some health issues.
The links are sweet and have served me well thus far.
Currently mounted with T3's 25mm bar and my custom mounts.

Happy New Year to you as well Alika, I hope your rental vans are coming along nicely.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: FutureVan Reply with quote

To many Vanagonites, styling is much more important than utility, so how about...

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