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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17970 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Type 3 Auto-Trans Diagnosis? |
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I love my automatic transmission! They all creep without your foot on the brake! Sounds like you're overthinking it rather than just driving it. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34009 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Type 3 Auto-Trans Diagnosis? |
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Best way to eliminate/check vacuum leaks is to replace all the hoses and injector seals. It's a frustrating day's work but it will pay dividends! |
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gheezerghia Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2007 Posts: 495
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Type 3 Auto-Trans Diagnosis? |
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Good to hear that because I have done all that too!😁 Now I’ve got to order me some gauges. Thanks |
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Multi69s Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 5364 Location: Lefty, CA
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Type 3 Auto-Trans Diagnosis? |
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Gheezer. You have jumped through a lot of hoops (all good), but I tend to go with Tram. Before you buy a set of gauges, play with your idle RPM. In my experimentation, I have found that the Bentley idle speed is more of a suggestion, then an exact figure. Read my signature links to see some of the things that I have done concerning the auto. IMHO, the surging when stopped is more an action of the torque converter not releasing, instead of an issue with the trans. Granted I am using a Type 4 engine that is mildly hopped up. and running dual weber DCNFs, but I have also added air conditioning to the mix.
I have also experimented with different torque converters (Type 3, Type 4, and bus) since they all have different stall speeds, I am currently using the bus. What I have found is that the lower you can run the idle speed, the smoother the engine is at a stop. As far as trans pressure, I have found that it affects shift points, more then it affects smooth idling at a stop. In fact, I am running 10PSI more pressure then the manual states so that the shift points match my cam more closely. However, the down side to this, is that if I want to drive in cruise mode, I have to lift the throttle momentarily to shift into 3rd at a low speed. My idle speed is in the 800 range, and it just sits and purrs at a stop. Now you may not be able to get away with this with FI, but, that's where I would start (lower idle speed). Give it a try and good luck _________________ 69 road Bug 2110
73 Squareback - 2L, T4, Automatic W/ AC
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gheezerghia Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2007 Posts: 495
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Type 3 Auto-Trans Diagnosis? |
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Thanks Multi69. I’ll take the idle down and see what I get. |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22422 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Type 3 Auto-Trans Diagnosis? |
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Yup, I have to agree with Multi on getting the idea set right. It should be set in gear with the parking brake applied. This is because the torque convertor will try to pull the engine speed down at a stop sign/light and could even cause the engine to stall. BTDT had to re-set the idle speed.
However, when it's set right the AT is a dream to drive. My wife's Fastback is a fun car, as it's more like an oversize go cart. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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gheezerghia Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2007 Posts: 495
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:06 am Post subject: Re: Type 3 Auto-Trans Diagnosis? |
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Thanks Bob, I’ll adjust it that way. What does BTDT mean? Thank you! |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22422 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Type 3 Auto-Trans Diagnosis? |
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gheezerghia wrote: |
Thanks Bob, I’ll adjust it that way. What does BTDT mean? Thank you! |
Been There Done That. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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gheezerghia Samba Member
Joined: April 09, 2007 Posts: 495
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Type 3 Auto-Trans Diagnosis? |
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Got it. Good day Sir! |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22422 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Type 3 Auto-Trans Diagnosis? |
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gheezerghia wrote: |
Got it. Good day Sir! |
No problem. I've learned a few acronyms from being on this site over the years. Not all of them are directly related to VW's, but a good portion are. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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