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Bellows87 Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2016 Posts: 3 Location: Wincanton
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:05 am Post subject: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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Hi Everyone,
New to the site. I got myself a 1970's 1302. It needs work. I keep being told its very rare and people didn't think one of them still existed. Is there anyway i can check this? As i currently using it as a doner. I don't want a waste a Beetle unless i need to |
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67jason Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2005 Posts: 4741 Location: behind my back feet - Pittsburg CA
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:42 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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there were 883,847 1302's made in 1971 and 885,756 made in 1972, the only years of 1302's. '73 the super beetle was redesigned and is refereed to as 1303. based on the production numbers, is it rare? you decide. _________________ 67 bug x3
67 ghia
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bnam Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2006 Posts: 2936 Location: El Dorado Hills CA/ Bangalore, India
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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The 1302 was built for 2 model years 1971 and 72. Plenty of them were made. Whether they are rare -- depends on where you are.
http://www.superbeetles.com/history.htm |
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Volks Wagen Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2013 Posts: 2926 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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Bellows87 wrote: |
Hi Everyone,
New to the site. I got myself a 1970's 1302. It needs work. I keep being told its very rare and people didn't think one of them still existed. Is there anyway i can check this? As i currently using it as a doner. I don't want a waste a Beetle unless i need to |
Sell it at a premium price to one of the people who think it's really rare. _________________ 1973 1303 with AB-motor - sporadic
reconstruction as time permits, 1986 ex-Bundeswehr Doka - on the road again.
I'm definitely, probably, the worlds greatest lover.
Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15987 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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In general, I don't see many classic Beetles driving down the road anymore. It is always a delight to see one still on the road. So in that sense they are "rare" to most who recall them being everywhere on the roads... remember playing "punch buggy" with your brother/sister?
Are Beetles rare in the sense that only a few were produced during any given year? Probably not. VW produced more than 1-million Type1s during some years.
The 1967-earlier models are even more difficult to find in good shape. 1967 was a one-year-only model that has always been one of my favorites as the transition between old and new body styles. I regret not buying that all original RHD '67 Beetle while I was in Japan, but $20K was a bit steep.
I think people feel classic Beetles are rare because you don't see them on the roads, in the newspaper classifieds or car trader rags anymore. You need to seek out specialized sites like TheSamba to find some for sale.
I guess there is a big difference between rare and valuable.
Be happy that people recognize your car and feel they are "rare". If you keep it in excellent shape long enough... maybe it will eventually become valuable too.
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2015/04/21/1963...on-record/ _________________ AshMan40
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'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!}
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Tim Donahoe Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2012 Posts: 11740 Location: Redding, CA
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:15 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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I own a 1974 1303 (Sunbug). It is quite rare, but many people prefer the flat-window Super Beetles, because they look more like a standard.
Tim _________________ Let's do the Time Warp again!
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vugbug68 Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2006 Posts: 2696 Location: sacramento
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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I probably see just as many 1302's as 1303's they're not rare in California, The main reason I got a 1302 is for the dash, Porsche tach fits right in the speedo hole _________________ 71 Super - Backroad Thrasher
66 Corvair - Weekend Cruiser
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BUGGED11111 Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2006 Posts: 1821 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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Depends where you look. Not rare where I live on the west coast, I see more than 1 everyday.
Oddly I used to travel to Germany several times a year and it was unusual to see a Bug of any type on the road. |
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SBD Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2012 Posts: 3269 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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I think they were ALL pretty much one-year-only models. _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it. |
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vamram Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 7304 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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Tim Donahoe wrote: |
I own a 1974 1303 (Sunbug). It is quite rare, but many people prefer the flat-window Super Beetles, because they look more like a standard.
Tim |
Tim, I'll trade you my 1302 for your 1303, straight up!
Victor _________________ Eventually, "we are what we pretend to be.’”
Give peace a chance - Stop Russian-Soviet Aggression!!
'74 Super 9/16 - present, in refurb process.
'73 Super - 6/18 - Present - Daily Driver!
'75 Super Le Grande...waiting it's turn in line behind '74.
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Mos6502 Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2015 Posts: 725
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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SBD wrote: |
I think they were ALL pretty much one-year-only models. |
Yeah when you think about how many changes VW made a year, they're pretty much all one-year-only models. Some changes were just more conspicuous than others. |
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SBD Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2012 Posts: 3269 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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Mos6502 wrote: |
SBD wrote: |
I think they were ALL pretty much one-year-only models. |
Yeah when you think about how many changes VW made a year, they're pretty much all one-year-only models. Some changes were just more conspicuous than others. |
That, plus the next year was the next year. Except for the last year US verts? Seems like maybe they didn't change those. _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it. |
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69Mexbug Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2014 Posts: 75 Location: Tecate, CA
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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I believe thats the flat window super. They are still plenty of them where i live in Southern California, a few meters from the border. I gotta say im not a huge fan of the SB but I do prefer the 1302 over the 1303. Curved window isnt my stuff for a bug. I've seen some really nice 1302 here! i'd say you keep it! |
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Tim Donahoe Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2012 Posts: 11740 Location: Redding, CA
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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My curved window doesn't bug me. The body style on the 1973+ is pretty much buggy, notwithstanding. The curved window does help to cut the wind a bit, too.
And Victor, I just got new inner tie rod ends (outers were replaced fairly recently, too), new ball joints, new control-arm bushings, etc., two new tires to replace the out-of-round fairly-new ones I had, and an OEM sports rim (in transit), so I'm not feeling like a trade is in my near future. Besides, your bug looks pretty good to me.
As far as people in Germany not being too enthused about classic bugs, I can only. assume that their mindset is somewhat different than here in the U.S. They think of an automobile as a means to travel, whereas we allow for the "hobby" aspect of classic bug ownership to give us a different opinion.
Once they shrugged off the disastrous economic effects of WWII, they wanted a bit more than a simple, basic "people's car".
Tim _________________ Let's do the Time Warp again!
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Dwayne1m Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2011 Posts: 3538 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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Tim Donahoe wrote: |
As far as people in Germany not being too enthused about classic bugs, I can only. assume that their mindset is somewhat different than here in the U.S. They think of an automobile as a means to travel, whereas we allow for the "hobby" aspect of classic bug ownership to give us a different opinion.
Once they shrugged off the disastrous economic effects of WWII, they wanted a bit more than a simple, basic "people's car".
Tim |
I read an article not long ago that said the general atmosphere in Germany is not very nostalgic. They don't cling to or collect anything. Maybe collecting "things" is just an American ideal. |
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Mos6502 Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2015 Posts: 725
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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You'll find lots of collectors in Germany. The attitude towards the beetle in particular may be somewhat different than it is here because over there it is a domestic car, and they continued selling them for years after they stopped selling them here. I would think they're just not nostalgic for the later years. Funny thing, my first time in Germany, on my first day in Munich, I spotted a really nice split parked on the street. |
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Gerrelt Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2004 Posts: 682 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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I've been on weekend holidays in Germany in our 1303 Super beetle. I live in the Netherlands. We get more admiring looks and thumbs up in Germany then in the Netherlands. _________________ homepage
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Bellows87 Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2016 Posts: 3 Location: Wincanton
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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I'm from the uk. I don't understand when people say it can only be 71 and 72 as on vw heritage site it states from aug 1970. Plus my log book is 1970..
Bit of a mind mess
thank you for your help though |
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SBD Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2012 Posts: 3269 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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Bellows87 wrote: |
I'm from the uk. I don't understand when people say it can only be 71 and 72 as on vw heritage site it states from aug 1970. Plus my log book is 1970..
Bit of a mind mess
thank you for your help though |
The flat windshield Super Beetle (1302) was only produced as a 1971 or 1972 model year vehicle. Production of 1971 model year vehicles started in late 1970. _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9772 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Newbie Super Beetle question |
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SBD wrote: |
Bellows87 wrote: |
I'm from the uk. I don't understand when people say it can only be 71 and 72 as on vw heritage site it states from aug 1970. Plus my log book is 1970..
Bit of a mind mess
thank you for your help though |
The flat windshield Super Beetle (1302) was only produced as a 1971 or 1972 model year vehicle. Production of 1971 model year vehicles started in late 1970. |
I'm not very good at the cut and paste. Look below and compare these chassis numbers to your VIN number. Following year production begins Aug. 1st.
July 110 3 097 085
110 3 097 086
110 3 097 087
110 3 097 088
110 3 097 089 L0 025 858 Last Engine of L series 1500 low octane M240
E0 021 603 Last Engine of E series 1300 low octane M240
B6 440 900 Last engine of B6 series 1600 SP- USA
H1 259 314 Last engine of H1 series 1500 SP
F2 140 820 Last engine of F2 series 1300 SP
Aug 1 111 2 000 001
111 2 000 002
111 2 000 003
111 2 000 008
111 2 000 009
111 2 000 010 D0 675 001 - 1200/34bhp DIN - 40HP SAE gross
AB 000 001 - 1300/44bhp DIN - 52HP SAE gross
AD 000 001 - 1600/50bhp DIN - 60HP SAE gross
AE 000 001 - 1600/50bhp DIN - 60HP SAE gross - USA
AC 000 001 - 1300/40bhP DIN (low octane)
AF 000 001 - 1600/46bhp DIN (low octane)
Good Luck. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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