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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:54 am    Post subject: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

I know nothing about transmissions, sorry to say. I would like to replace our transmission on our Splitscreen bus (1963). The bus has a 1776 engine with 60hp and 110Nm torque. The new transmission will run with reduction boxes again. I was thinking about a freeway flyer with 3.44 R&P and a 0.89 4th.
Would that be possible? Tires size 215-75 R15

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Using the stock 1.39:1 reduction boxes

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

I think u need lots more engine or do the reduction boxes and no less than a 3.88. Even then it'll be tough.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

jfats808 wrote:
I think u need lots more engine or do the reduction boxes and no less than a 3.88. Even then it'll be tough.


I would use reduction boxes ( reduction 1.39)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

Your stock gearing would have been:

.82 fourth x 4.125 R&P x 1.39 RB = 4.70

Your proposed gearing would be:

.89 fourth x 3.44 R&P x 1.39 RB = 4.26

Probably doable, IMO, particularly because you are keeping your original 1.39 RBs and running a mild 1776.

If you plan on keeping your 1.39 RB, an intermediate option would be:

.82 fourth x 3.875 R&P x 1.39 RB = 4.416.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

sactojesse wrote:
Your stock gearing would have been:

.82 fourth x 4.125 R&P x 1.39 RB = 4.70

Your proposed gearing would be:

.89 fourth x 3.44 R&P x 1.39 RB = 4.26

Probably doable, IMO, particularly because you are keeping your original 1.39 RBs and running a mild 1776.

If you plan on keeping your 1.39 RB, an intermediate option would be:

.82 fourth x 3.875 R&P x 1.39 RB = 4.416.




This are the boxes we're I was looking at:

http://www.csp-shop.com/cgi-bin/cshop2/front/shop_...0&all=

https://www.vwheritage.com/shop/split-bus/AC300211...StartRow=1

https://www.vwheritage.com/shop/split-bus/AC300211...StartRow=1
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1763079

Bolt in and go, but talk to your tranny builder first to determine the correct R&P based on your tire diameter and engine output and driving needs!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

sactojesse wrote:
Your proposed gearing would be:

.89 fourth x 3.44 R&P x 1.39 RB = 4.26

Probably doable, IMO, particularly because you are keeping your original 1.39 RBs and running a mild 1776.

I don't think you took into account the extra tall truck tires he wants to use.
I recommend sticking with the stock gears. Even then, the taller tires might be too much. Easy enough to alter if necessary.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

^^^^^ What Bruce said.

3.44 would be an absolute mistake. With an engine less then 100 HP, and taller then stock tires. I would stick with a stock geared transaxle
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

Ok the 3.44 is not a option!
But would this be an option?

1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
r&p: 3.88
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

yes, that sounds like a good choice with 1.39 reduction boxes
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

Hey, key board jockeys!https://weddleindustries.com/gear-calculator

plug in some numbers and figure it out! Don't forger that the ring and pinion number is multiplied by the reduction boxes.

Also, there is NO SUCH THING AS A FREEWAY FLIER! A custom geared transaxle maybe
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

Next_Racer wrote:
Ok the 3.44 is not a option!
But would this be an option?

1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
r&p: 3.88

That would put right around 90 km/h at 3000 rpm. That could work well. but no more for that little engine. I assume that those numbers are at the flywheel (?)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

Alstrup wrote:
Next_Racer wrote:
Ok the 3.44 is not a option!
But would this be an option?

1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
r&p: 3.88

That would put right around 90 km/h at 3000 rpm. That could work well. but no more for that little engine. I assume that those numbers are at the flywheel (?)

T


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

Next_Racer wrote:
Ok the 3.44 is not a option!
But would this be an option?

1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
r&p: 3.88


With your small engine and tall tire size I would get the 4.12 R&P gear.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

Have you played with the numbers with this?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/rgb_calc.php

Can we assume you are still running the origional small nut transmission?
The simple option would be to just get the R&P changed Bears or Cogbox if you are UK based

A quick play with your Tyre size ok 4000rpm may be to high for extended runs but you get the idea.

RPM Tire Diameter Gear Ratio R&P RGB SPEED AT RPM
4000 27.7. 0.82. 4.375 1.39 66
4000 27.7 0.82. 4.125 1.39 70
4000 27.7 0.82. 3.875 1.39. 75
4000 27.7 0.82 3.44 1.39 84

Ok does not answer will the engine actually push the bus with ratio x

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

Thanks for the info guys.

I've bought this gearbox:

1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
R&P 3.88

I'll let you know within a few weeks how it runs.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

Well you bought what is commonly referred to as a freeway flyer. It's going to suck. Whoever was your trans builder should have asked what your stats were and then talked u out of it. You'll be downshifting lots to 3rd. Have fun.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

jfats808 wrote:
Well you bought what is commonly referred to as a freeway flyer. It's going to suck. Whoever was your trans builder should have asked what your stats were and then talked u out of it. You'll be downshifting lots to 3rd. Have fun.


You're assuming he's gunna get into 4th!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

You guys can't do math at all?

With the reduction boxes it's geared almost the same as a 1970 bay bus.
I don't see a problem, it should work
5.375x.82=4.41
3.88x1.39x.82=4.42
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? Reply with quote

Alstrup wrote:
Next_Racer wrote:
Ok the 3.44 is not a option!
But would this be an option?

1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
r&p: 3.88

That would put right around 90 km/h at 3000 rpm. That could work well. but no more for that little engine. I assume that those numbers are at the flywheel (?)

T

Like I said earlier, this aboive gearing. With the RGB´s that is approx 90 kmh @ 3000, which will be good for the engine and car. But no more. Higher gearing needs more torque, especially with the RGB´s as they do take a little power. how much I do not know.
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