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Next_Racer Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:54 am Post subject: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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I know nothing about transmissions, sorry to say. I would like to replace our transmission on our Splitscreen bus (1963). The bus has a 1776 engine with 60hp and 110Nm torque. The new transmission will run with reduction boxes again. I was thinking about a freeway flyer with 3.44 R&P and a 0.89 4th.
Would that be possible? Tires size 215-75 R15
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Using the stock 1.39:1 reduction boxes
Thanks _________________ Ovaal '54 --> Gekeurd
1300 '69 -->RESTO
1303S '73 --> Gekeurd
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jfats808 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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I think u need lots more engine or do the reduction boxes and no less than a 3.88. Even then it'll be tough. _________________ 2276 IDA's 86C 11-1 DD !
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Next_Racer Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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jfats808 wrote: |
I think u need lots more engine or do the reduction boxes and no less than a 3.88. Even then it'll be tough. |
I would use reduction boxes ( reduction 1.39) _________________ Ovaal '54 --> Gekeurd
1300 '69 -->RESTO
1303S '73 --> Gekeurd
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sactojesse Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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Your stock gearing would have been:
.82 fourth x 4.125 R&P x 1.39 RB = 4.70
Your proposed gearing would be:
.89 fourth x 3.44 R&P x 1.39 RB = 4.26
Probably doable, IMO, particularly because you are keeping your original 1.39 RBs and running a mild 1776.
If you plan on keeping your 1.39 RB, an intermediate option would be:
.82 fourth x 3.875 R&P x 1.39 RB = 4.416. _________________ 1966 Karmann-Ghia convertible
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Next_Racer Samba Member
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74 Thing Samba Member
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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sactojesse wrote: |
Your proposed gearing would be:
.89 fourth x 3.44 R&P x 1.39 RB = 4.26
Probably doable, IMO, particularly because you are keeping your original 1.39 RBs and running a mild 1776. |
I don't think you took into account the extra tall truck tires he wants to use.
I recommend sticking with the stock gears. Even then, the taller tires might be too much. Easy enough to alter if necessary. _________________
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vwracerdave Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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^^^^^ What Bruce said.
3.44 would be an absolute mistake. With an engine less then 100 HP, and taller then stock tires. I would stick with a stock geared transaxle _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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Next_Racer Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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Ok the 3.44 is not a option!
But would this be an option?
1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
r&p: 3.88 _________________ Ovaal '54 --> Gekeurd
1300 '69 -->RESTO
1303S '73 --> Gekeurd
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sled Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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yes, that sounds like a good choice with 1.39 reduction boxes _________________ drive your split. |
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mcmscott Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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Hey, key board jockeys!https://weddleindustries.com/gear-calculator
plug in some numbers and figure it out! Don't forger that the ring and pinion number is multiplied by the reduction boxes.
Also, there is NO SUCH THING AS A FREEWAY FLIER! A custom geared transaxle maybe _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
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Alstrup Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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Next_Racer wrote: |
Ok the 3.44 is not a option!
But would this be an option?
1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
r&p: 3.88 |
That would put right around 90 km/h at 3000 rpm. That could work well. but no more for that little engine. I assume that those numbers are at the flywheel (?)
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Next_Racer Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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Alstrup wrote: |
Next_Racer wrote: |
Ok the 3.44 is not a option!
But would this be an option?
1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
r&p: 3.88 |
That would put right around 90 km/h at 3000 rpm. That could work well. but no more for that little engine. I assume that those numbers are at the flywheel (?)
T |
Yes _________________ Ovaal '54 --> Gekeurd
1300 '69 -->RESTO
1303S '73 --> Gekeurd
http://vwovaal.blogspot.com/ |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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Next_Racer wrote: |
Ok the 3.44 is not a option!
But would this be an option?
1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
r&p: 3.88 |
With your small engine and tall tire size I would get the 4.12 R&P gear. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
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ArAKern Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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Have you played with the numbers with this?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/rgb_calc.php
Can we assume you are still running the origional small nut transmission?
The simple option would be to just get the R&P changed Bears or Cogbox if you are UK based
A quick play with your Tyre size ok 4000rpm may be to high for extended runs but you get the idea.
RPM Tire Diameter Gear Ratio R&P RGB SPEED AT RPM
4000 27.7. 0.82. 4.375 1.39 66
4000 27.7 0.82. 4.125 1.39 70
4000 27.7 0.82. 3.875 1.39. 75
4000 27.7 0.82 3.44 1.39 84
Ok does not answer will the engine actually push the bus with ratio x
ArA
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Next_Racer Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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Thanks for the info guys.
I've bought this gearbox:
1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
R&P 3.88
I'll let you know within a few weeks how it runs. _________________ Ovaal '54 --> Gekeurd
1300 '69 -->RESTO
1303S '73 --> Gekeurd
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jfats808 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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Well you bought what is commonly referred to as a freeway flyer. It's going to suck. Whoever was your trans builder should have asked what your stats were and then talked u out of it. You'll be downshifting lots to 3rd. Have fun. _________________ 2276 IDA's 86C 11-1 DD !
2017 48 Trijet DRLA's W125
Rockstar Suzuki wrote: |
You might as well put 10 year build in your bullshit sig, as it will NEVER run. Also your a dick |
You can always learn something new, even from a fool.
Check your oil levels routinely! |
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VWCOOL Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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jfats808 wrote: |
Well you bought what is commonly referred to as a freeway flyer. It's going to suck. Whoever was your trans builder should have asked what your stats were and then talked u out of it. You'll be downshifting lots to 3rd. Have fun. |
You're assuming he's gunna get into 4th! |
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modok Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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You guys can't do math at all?
With the reduction boxes it's geared almost the same as a 1970 bay bus.
I don't see a problem, it should work
5.375x.82=4.41
3.88x1.39x.82=4.42 |
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Alstrup Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Freeway flyer with 1776? |
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Alstrup wrote: |
Next_Racer wrote: |
Ok the 3.44 is not a option!
But would this be an option?
1st Gear: 3,78
2nd Gear: 2,06
3rd Gear: 1,26
4th Gear: 0,82
r&p: 3.88 |
That would put right around 90 km/h at 3000 rpm. That could work well. but no more for that little engine. I assume that those numbers are at the flywheel (?)
T |
Like I said earlier, this aboive gearing. With the RGB´s that is approx 90 kmh @ 3000, which will be good for the engine and car. But no more. Higher gearing needs more torque, especially with the RGB´s as they do take a little power. how much I do not know. |
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