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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9489 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:31 am Post subject: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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I put liquid wrench on it 24 hours ago. Today used a 4 foot bar on it, and a 'socket' that I welded up 20 years ago (for a loaf).
The nut won round one easily, the bar had no chance. I know about that $90 gear-type multiplier and will consider it. I'd rather borrow one.
Can I get this nut off in the next hour without leaving the house or buying stuff? Would be nice to put it back on .... Being too quick to cut the nut I'd feel like a loser for a little while..... _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
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chrissev2 Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2012 Posts: 246 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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Torque is 369 ft lbs, which is roughly equivalent to a 185 pound person standing on a breaker bar two feet out from the nut.
That is if the nut isn't rusty.
To increase your chances of success, maybe try heating the nut up with a torch. That seems to work for me a lot of the time when I am dealing with heavily torqued nuts that have been in place for decades. _________________ 1986 westfalia auto 1.9TD
2023 VW Atlas 3.6 VR6 Highline
2019 Golf Wagon 4 motion
1978 Volkswagen super beetle convertible
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9489 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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Thanks Chris for the numbers that helps put a perspective on it. Will try adding heat after this. Better living thru rebar (& MIG welders).
Gotta run to an important meeting. Could be an hour or 24....
(or with luck he's got the right tool for the job and willing to lend it...) _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50216
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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The torque is likely in the range of 600-800 lbs and maybe much more if things are rusty, your rig isn't up to that. VW shops sell cheap little EMPI slug wrenches what will likely do the job. You could also buy a decent industrial quality slug wrench on Amazon or eBay for about $50 IIRC.
Some people just cut a groove in the nut with a Dremel and split it apart. |
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16450 Location: Brookeville, MD
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specialev Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2011 Posts: 281 Location: Mukilteo WA
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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When I took apart the hubs on my doka I failed to try and break this nut before removing the hub from the vehicle so I had a real treat trying to do anything on my bench. A little bit of heat goes a long way, however and mine came off pretty easily on the bench once they'd been liberally warmed with my torch. |
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msinabottle Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2005 Posts: 3492 Location: Denver Area, Colorado
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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I've been looking for a 3/4" breaker bar or a Semi Truck wrench. Adams Rental, the company from whom I used to rent
THE TORQUE WRENCH FROM HELL!
For which, see HERE:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219816
has moved. I watch Craig's List, or hope for something from Harbor Freight. A 1/2" bar won't cut it, and I don't want to have or pay for an impact wrench with that kind of power. More chance of something going wrong.
I have been curious about something called a 'Sliding T Bar Wrench,' which Sears catalogs, and would be grateful for information from those who know more.
I have a 'banjo' to immobilize the hub while I take off the nut. The 'Slug Wrench' as the above posts will show, was a complete failure. I ended up using a propane torch and liquid wrench that epic first time.
Best! _________________ 'Winston,' '84 1.9 WBX Westy
Vanagon Poet Laureate: "I have suffered in
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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You come upon a 3/4 IR impact you had best grab it.
Industructable, as long as you give it a shot of MMO to lube the hammers in it once in awhile.
My IR 3/4 impact is 40 years old and has never given me a ounce of problems, but I keep it lubed up and use an air dryer on the compressor.
To the OP;
Heat that nut up cherry red, it'll walk right off with the jungle boogie bar you've got. _________________ T.K. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50216
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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46mm slug/striking wrench, combined with a 4-8# sledge will make child's play out of removing the nut. |
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Terry Kay Banned
Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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& Hope & pray he's paying attention to the slugfest.
I can see that socket getting on their cockeye'd, and taking the points of that castle nut along with it.
Blooey.
Heat is your best friend in this situation. _________________ T.K. |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12102 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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On my '67 Split, I used the 20' aluminum mast from my Sunfish clone daysailer. Worked like a charm _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9489 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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Victory. That wasn't such a big deal once the scrap pile offered some heavy artillery.
Re-bar-enhanced jungle boogie bar wins cold. Now onward - goal is to to lube rear wheel bearings (while they're still OK).
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'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9489 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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Quick question: (Dave's pic here)
If I remove those four 22mm head bolts holding the hub onto the trailing arm, will the CV axle come out thru the hole? Or do I have to remove the CV from the stub first? _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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mackaymanx Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2006 Posts: 479 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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I bought a torque multiplier to do these, this is set up for tightening but you get the idea.
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warmblood58 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 331
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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I am 200 lbs. Last winter I stood on my long breaker after heating and was able to get one nut off. The next nut I heated and did the wax trick - did this several times and finally got that nut off. I feel your pain brother! |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12102 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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^^^Porn, it shows up where you least expect it. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9889 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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Yes, the whole axle will come out through that hole while still attached to hub assembly.
Mark
Sodo wrote: |
Quick question:
If I remove those four 22mm head bolts holding the hub onto the trailing arm, will the CV axle come out thru the hole? Or do I have to remove the CV from the stub first? |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9489 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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Thanks Mark, thats great. EZ access to the 12pts! _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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Tristar Eric Samba Member
Joined: July 25, 2004 Posts: 1241 Location: Portland, Or
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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Hobo freight has a 3/4" impact gun for $68.97
Worth having just for this job. _________________ Vanagon/Transporter flares here: www.terrawagen.com
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10234 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Rear axle nut(s) - the battle begins |
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I keep a 6 foot piece of heavy pipe around for things like this. As long as whatever breaker bar you are using it around holds - it's coming apart. Once also used a car jack under a breaker bar to loosen something. I put a pry bar through the lugnuts with the tip against the floor. _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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