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DcWHaT
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 Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:46 pm Post subject: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| Hey all my VW peeps, I have a 64 bug and it is already lowered in the rear. I was curious at what is the lowest degree you can go before u have to do a tranny raise, or remount the shift linkage? Thank you everyone! |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:43 am Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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Depends on how often you want to replace tires.
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Canadian VW
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:30 am Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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If the vehicle is static you can run into tire wear issues, fulcrum plates/axles wont be happy, stripping the center out of the rear brake drums is pretty common and the wheel bearings have a tendency to go dry since no oil will travel up the axle tube to lubricate them.
A 1" trans raise will help a bit and keep the shift linkage in the tunnel. A 2" or 3" raise will lead to rear luggage tray modifications, linkage above the tunnel and your engine sitting high in the engine compartment (the engine sitting high is a clearance for the doghouse and if you run dual carbs issue).
Driving with excessive rear camber is a little dodgy, the back end follows every little imperfection in the road. Driving in the wet/rain is a whole new experience as well.
I love the look of a slammed Beetle but just wanted to be honest about what problems you can expect if you are driving it often.
Mine sits very low but I am on air ride and generally don't drive completely lowered unless I am going under 20 KPH (shows/parking lots)
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:24 am Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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You can go so low that you can tear the sump plate off on manhole covers, but I wouldn't recommend it.....
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DcWHaT
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:05 am Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| Ok is anyone reading my question I know I can just drop it wear out my tires blah blah blah, I asked at what degree of the is the lowest before i have to do a tranny raise. |
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DcWHaT
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:06 am Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| TDCTDI wrote: |
| Depends on how often you want to replace tires. |
Always one smart ass that doesn’t know shit |
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DcWHaT
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:07 am Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| Canadian VW wrote: |
If the vehicle is static you can run into tire wear issues, fulcrum plates/axles wont be happy, stripping the center out of the rear brake drums is pretty common and the wheel bearings have a tendency to go dry since no oil will travel up the axle tube to lubricate them.
A 1" trans raise will help a bit and keep the shift linkage in the tunnel. A 2" or 3" raise will lead to rear luggage tray modifications, linkage above the tunnel and your engine sitting high in the engine compartment (the engine sitting high is a clearance for the doghouse and if you run dual carbs issue).
Driving with excessive rear camber is a little dodgy, the back end follows every little imperfection in the road. Driving in the wet/rain is a whole new experience as well.
I love the look of a slammed Beetle but just wanted to be honest about what problems you can expect if you are driving it often.
Mine sits very low but I am on air ride and generally don't drive completely lowered unless I am going under 20 KPH (shows/parking lots)
Patrick
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Thank you for actually answering my question somewhat. I know everything u just said was just asking for a number for a level VW for rear spring plate angle, 0 10 5 15? What |
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Luft kühl
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:17 am Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| DcWHaT wrote: |
| TDCTDI wrote: |
| Depends on how often you want to replace tires. |
Always one smart ass that doesn’t know shit |
So you are saying that if you are stupid enough to have your car that low, that it will not cause premature tire wear ?
Thanks for clearing that up for us. |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:17 am Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| DcWHaT wrote: |
| TDCTDI wrote: |
| Depends on how often you want to replace tires. |
Always one smart ass that doesn’t know shit |
That's better than the dumb ass that thinks he does. 
The further that you lower a swing axle car, the more that the toe and camber are affected, this leads to accelerated tire wear, the further out it is, the faster the tires will wear & the worse the handling will become.
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Canadian VW
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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When you are asking for the lowest degree is that degree of camber on the wheel or the degree of the angle of the rear spring plates? I wont have an answer either way since mine is adjustable with air but it might help get you closer to an answer.
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Mark Evans 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| DcWHaT wrote: |
| Ok is anyone reading my question I know I can just drop it wear out my tires blah blah blah, I asked at what degree of the is the lowest before i have to do a tranny raise. |
The spring plates will only go so low, then hit the stop, unless you get adjustable or lowered plates.
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DcWHaT
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| Mark Evans wrote: |
| DcWHaT wrote: |
| Ok is anyone reading my question I know I can just drop it wear out my tires blah blah blah, I asked at what degree of the is the lowest before i have to do a tranny raise. |
The spring plates will only go so low, then hit the stop, unless you get adjustable or lowered plates. |
was just curious, was just a question, I have drop plates on the rear, I trimmed my bump stops down. |
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DcWHaT
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| TDCTDI wrote: |
| DcWHaT wrote: |
| TDCTDI wrote: |
| Depends on how often you want to replace tires. |
Always one smart ass that doesn’t know shit |
That's better than the dumb ass that thinks he does.
The further that you lower a swing axle car, the more that the toe and camber are affected, this leads to accelerated tire wear, the further out it is, the faster the tires will wear & the worse the handling will become. |
lol you funny, it was just a question of degree that was it. But I guess people from North Carolina can’t read. I know you wear tires and have shitty handling. One day will be able to read. |
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DcWHaT
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| Luft kühl wrote: |
| DcWHaT wrote: |
| TDCTDI wrote: |
| Depends on how often you want to replace tires. |
Always one smart ass that doesn’t know shit |
So you are saying that if you are stupid enough to have your car that low, that it will not cause premature tire wear ?
Thanks for clearing that up for us. |
pretty much. But it will look awesome |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| DcWHaT wrote: |
| One day will be able to read. |
But if you try to phonetically pronounce your screen name three times fast it suddenly becomes quite fitting.
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GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
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Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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DcWHaT
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| TDCTDI wrote: |
| DcWHaT wrote: |
| One day will be able to read. |
But if you try to phonetically pronounce your screen name three times fast it suddenly becomes quite fitting. |
googling words won’t make you smarter. |
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Luft kühl
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| DcWHaT wrote: |
| Luft kühl wrote: |
| DcWHaT wrote: |
| TDCTDI wrote: |
| Depends on how often you want to replace tires. |
Always one smart ass that doesn’t know shit |
So you are saying that if you are stupid enough to have your car that low, that it will not cause premature tire wear ?
Thanks for clearing that up for us. |
pretty much. But it will look awesome |
I am glad that all of the other children will think that your car looks cool .
Who knows, you might finally get all of the attention that you seem to need. |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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| DcWHaT wrote: |
| googling words won’t make you smarter. |
Google? Wha dat? We hick ass Southnahs don't know about google & we used up all the books to wipe our asses after we visit them there shit shacks.
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GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1964 VW bug how low can you go in the rear? |
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2 outer splines starts to wear out tires and bearings quickly. So I guess the answer you're looking for is one spline. You can use the RLR kit and raise your transaxle 1 inch and use an early bus nose cone and keep the shift rod in the tunnel. Or you can do what I did on my 57 and drop it one spline and raise the torsion housing 3 inches. Was slammed and rode like a dream
brad |
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