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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31268 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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79SuperVert wrote: |
Seems odd that the pedestrian did not see the car's headlights coming or hear the car approaching. |
It's Arizona.
79SuperVert wrote: |
It would have been natural for her to wait until there were no cars coming, or run across if she was in a hurry. |
It's Arizona. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69733 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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79SuperVert wrote: |
Seems odd that the pedestrian did not see the car's headlights coming or hear the car approaching. There wasn't a lot of traffic. It would have been natural for her to wait until there were no cars coming, or run across if she was in a hurry. But she seems to have been walking at a brisk but still walking pace.
I recall seeing another self-driving Volvo video at a car dealership where it nearly ran over some salesmen. This is not good PR for Volvo. |
I don't know the truth but I saw people saying she was a homeless person with a record of drug use and may have been not fully aware of her surroundings at the time. _________________ How to Post Photos
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21474 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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The point.....that most of you who are saying this accident is not very significant and that accidents happen.....are not getting......is that there are maybe 1000 driverless cars being tested give or take.
And percentage wise.....in a sea of 20-30 MILLION vehicles that are not driverless......the 34+ accidents this piddling fleet of test vehicles has had since 2014......puts them at an accident rate of about 5-6X that of vehicles with drivers.
And.....even though in most cases the accidents have been the fault of the "attendant" driver......in most cases the accident would not have happened if the "attendant" had been actually driving and not vaguely attending to a sub system. The effect is not far off texting and driving.
The very first accident was the Google car 4 years ago. That car.....had 360 small cameras mounted to give it overlapping fields of vision to create "digital" depth of field to work with its software.
No one hae yet explained how the vision systems on these vehicles will work in sleet, rain, sjow, mud and dust. No one has yet figured out how the logic can work with wear in suspension parts that have no sensors.
Not against self driving cars at all.....but its FAR too early to say they are working.....or coming anytime soon.
And....if a car needs an "attendant" behind the wheel.....whats the point?
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Dwayne1m Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2011 Posts: 3538 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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raygreenwood wrote: |
No one hae yet explained how the vision systems on these vehicles will work in sleet, rain, sjow, mud and dust. No one has yet figured out how the logic can work with wear in suspension parts that have no sensors. |
I was thinking the same thing. I'm guessing these cars detect the side of the road by using the white line, but what if it's covered by snow? What if there's a heavy rain and water is running down the side of the road? My mom has a new Subaru which will correct her if she goes "off course" by "reading" the white and yellow lines, but if she's on a back road where there are no lines it will not correct itself. Can bright lights or the glare from the sun affect the "vision" of these cars? Lots of questions. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16802 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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Dwayne1m wrote: |
Can bright lights or the glare from the sun affect the "vision" of these cars? Lots of questions. |
yes
Volvo's BLIS system is prone to go off when there is a reflection from say...a puddle or wet pavement.
not to mention these cameras have heaters to keep the fog down and they burn up....plus they need to be washed/maintained....do you really think the public at large will do that, or pay to have it done? _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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hopkin Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2012 Posts: 2469 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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My opinion is that, with the exception of a small number of people, self driving cars will not be privately owned. Think of Uber on a large scale.
Rather than own a car, hit the app button on your phone, a self driving car pulls up within a minute, takes you were you need to go and leaves. When it's time to go home, hit the app button again and a car appears to take you home. Kinda of like personalized mass transit.
What the car companies haven't figured out or are not telling us, is that the number of vehicles sold per year is going to drop off a cliff, and with that the extended economy (jobs) based on the auto industry.
Having said all of that; I barely trust my PC with my personal info, why the hell would I get into a self driving car. _________________ 1971 Super Beetle (past)
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79SuperVert Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2002 Posts: 9758 Location: Elizabeth, NJ & La Isla Del Encanto
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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Not sure that car production will drop. I think the future for car companies is to become car suppliers. They will make, distribute, maintain, replace and dispose of the millions of self-driving cars that will someday be transporting old geezers like me when I'm 80 and too old to drive, not to mention young people who will never learn to drive because they don't need to: they have the app! I think that if anything, there are going to be more people employed in the self-driving transportation business in the future than there are now making automobiles. _________________ Central Jersey VW Society
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cbeck Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2014 Posts: 2494 Location: high ridge, mo
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11053 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
.do you really think the public at large will do that, or pay to have it done? |
Um that's a Negative Ghost Rider... ...
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31268 Location: Hot Arizona
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13842 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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Arizona Governor stopped the use of self driving Uber cars. He will decide when if ever they get to start retesting _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
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windfish Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2012 Posts: 1126 Location: NC
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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"While Waymo, Google’s autonomous vehicle project, was able to drive almost 5,600 miles last year without driver intervention, Uber’s self-driving cars weren’t able to meet its target goal of 13 miles per intervention as of March."
"Cruise [GM] reported to California regulators that it went more than 1,200 miles per intervention."
https://jalopnik.com/uber-s-autonomous-test-cars-lagged-behind-competitors-b-1824047353
Looks like Uber was running a vastly inferior product on public roads.. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16802 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
.do you really think the public at large will do that, or pay to have it done? |
Um that's a Negative Ghost Rider... ...
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gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Zeen Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2004 Posts: 1308 Location: The Sunny Part of Michigan
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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79SuperVert wrote: |
Not sure that car production will drop. |
Cars on average sit idle 95% of the time. A fleet of on-demand rides will be used much more intensively, needing far fewer total vehicles.
79SuperVert wrote: |
I think the future for car companies is to become car suppliers. |
This is exactly what they don't want, and why they are all working so hard to get ahead of the technology. GM wants to be a transportation provider, from the app on down. They don't want to be the lowest bidder to supply Google or Uber with transportation pods that will wear their brands. _________________ The consequences of your decisions should not be confused with fate. |
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Zeen Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2004 Posts: 1308 Location: The Sunny Part of Michigan
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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windfish wrote: |
"While Waymo, Google’s autonomous vehicle project, was able to drive almost 5,600 miles last year without driver intervention, Uber’s self-driving cars weren’t able to meet its target goal of 13 miles per intervention as of March."
"Cruise [GM] reported to California regulators that it went more than 1,200 miles per intervention."
https://jalopnik.com/uber-s-autonomous-test-cars-lagged-behind-competitors-b-1824047353
Looks like Uber was running a vastly inferior product on public roads.. |
Seems like it. I don't know the Uber details, but Waymo computers are much, much safer than human drivers, as measured by deaths and at-fault accidents. Waymo cars do tend to attract human-caused fender benders, by doing unexpected things like driving the speed limit and coming to a complete stop at stop signs. Maybe they'll get more sophisticated and go five over and roll stop signs unless they see a cop, like humans do.
Looking at the video, it's clear the women couldn't have been saved by a human driver. But it's disappointing the autonomous system didn't do better. She was hidden by the darkness, but she came across two lanes before getting hit, and the LiDAR should have seen her and allowed some action to be taken. I'd like to see that scenario recreated by Waymo and GM to see how they'd do. _________________ The consequences of your decisions should not be confused with fate. |
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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Fully autonomous cars could not be owned by a driver, the liability for failing to properly maintain it would be crushing to the builder,insurer,licensing agent. Cars that are hybrid autonomous/human may be subject to mandatory safety inspections. Order by phone, get in,relax , arrive and its all neatly deducted from your account in the upcoming 5G brave new world . Soma anyone ? _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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EverettB Administrator
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31268 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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I still cannot understand why the woman either did NOT see the headlights or saw the Uber and still figured it would be a good idea to cross????
Cameras oftentimes show an image much lighter than the human eye, they say this all the time on TV golf where the tournament goes to extra holes or a rainy day in baseball. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Self-driving cars will be “here” by 2020! |
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EverettB wrote: |
79SuperVert wrote: |
Seems odd that the pedestrian did not see the car's headlights coming or hear the car approaching. There wasn't a lot of traffic. It would have been natural for her to wait until there were no cars coming, or run across if she was in a hurry. But she seems to have been walking at a brisk but still walking pace.
I recall seeing another self-driving Volvo video at a car dealership where it nearly ran over some salesmen. This is not good PR for Volvo. |
I don't know the truth but I saw people saying she was a homeless person with a record of drug use and may have been not fully aware of her surroundings at the time. |
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