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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:39 pm    Post subject: Jeep Wrangler Mirrors / Door Mounted / Installing Reply with quote

"Floppy Mirror Syndrome"

There doesn't seem to be a once and done fix unless you are going to spring for powered mirror heads..... New or used.

The repairs I Read about seem short lived,
The replacement units seem to become floppy, here is a thread about mirrors for Vanagons.......
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So I decided to order a pair of side view mirrors that fit the 07 and up Jeep Wrangler, the door mounted units.

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EDIT: FYI.... These Wrangler Mirrors can be ordered as....
A) fully manual adjustment (as I did)
B) manual adjustment with heated glass
C) power adjustment
D) power adjustment with heated glass
E) power adjustment with built in turn signal
F) chrome with various options.
Of course price swings significantly with added options.

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This has been done before, twice that I've noticed by having seen photos.

Here is the mirror unit on the Jeep.....

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I ordered a left and right for about $34 each, they were shipped today.

In order to get a start on the process I removed the factory mirror, I was expecting two screw holes....... Instead I got a 3rd center hole for power mirror wires...... Shocked

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

If the new mirrors work well, the three factory holes will eventually be welded closed and painted to match the body.

If the new mirrors are HORRIBLE, the original holes may be needed and the new holes for the Jeep mirrors will be welded shut....

For now I want to close the three holes in a neat manner.

I can use the factory gasket and a block off plate, a piece of steel, a piece of ridgid plastic or a piece of Aluminum.....

Wait! My new BULLY steps came with a upper reinforcement that I Cannot use on the Van....... This would be ideal to use as a block off plate!.
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A little slicing and dicing......

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Also I'll need some holes but due to the textured surface it is best to drill from the rear so the bit doesn't "walk" off center.

I used the old mirror base as a template, center punched and drilled my holes. I Also countersunk the top for the factory mirror screws......

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View with gasket and screws ready to install......

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And here the plate is mounted......

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I don't have the Jeep Mirrors yet so the exact mounting is yet to be determined but I'm guessing that it will need to be forward of the vent window pillar approximately where I put the green "X"......

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Now to repeat for the drivers side.......

Here is a photo of a Vanagon with the Wrangler mirrors, I will need to make sure that the Vent Window is able to fully pivot......

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

Eyeballing that x location... looks like the wing windows will be prevented from opening completely ?

On this one, it's in line with the wing pillar, and kinda looks like it still may block the wing opening.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

levi wrote:
Eyeballing that x location... looks like the wing windows will be prevented from opening completely ?


Yes! I just had that thought edited my post and posted a photo ..... Good eye!

Edit: just came in from the Van .... Brrrr ...... temps are dropping!
Anyway, a quick dirty measurement tells me the open vent window protrudes past the flat "belt" panel by about 2 1/2".
Careful measuring will be requred for exact placement.

Here is a front view of the mirror...... It will be close!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

Mark...... My friendly UPS driver, just dropped off two Jeep mirrors.

Sadly it's dark, hard rain, windy and we're in a tornado watch....... No test fitting tonight!

The mirrors look nice, they have a Loonnggggg mounting stud but that can be easily modified.

Photos tomorrow if my Van doesn't get sucked up into a cyclone! And I'm in Jersey! This is mid west weather!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:
Mark...... My friendly UPS driver, just dropped off two Jeep mirrors.

Sadly it's dark, hard rain, windy and we're in a tornado watch....... No test fitting tonight!

The mirrors look nice, they have a Loonnggggg mounting stud but that can be easily modified.

Photos tomorrow if my Van doesn't get sucked up into a cyclone! And I'm in Jersey! This is mid west weather!!!

Dave


Global warming. Cool

excited to see how they mount up.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

My Jeep Mirrors, Left and Right, right is disassembled in the photo.

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I disassembled the mirror to enable me to locate it on the door.
The greatest concern is being able to comfortably view the mirrors. The secondary concern is that the mirror does not hinder the vent window operation.

I removed the metal mounting and used the empty plastic mount housing to locate my mirror.
Doing so required me to mark the angle the mirror sets with the metal mount in place.

I also used a 3" Magnet to help hold the mirror in place on the door, while not strong enough to hold the mirror alone, it was a great aid in placing the mirror on the door..... I held the magnet in place with clear packaging tape...

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I first covered the area of the door that will accept the mirror with painters tape. A removal planning canvas.
I also used a straight edge to see how much curvature the door panel had. Vertically is very slight, Horizontally not at all.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

To begin, I made note of where the factory mirror sat in relation to the drivers normal viewing angle.
Here is the drivers side, just about in line with the Vent window vertical frame. The passenger side was similar but I failed to photograph it....

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I next held the mirror to the door. It required three hands but I'm way above average and got it located! You can see in the photo the vent window clears the mirror body..... Once locating this location I drew the outline of the mirror body onto the door (masking tape)

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Once the Mirror mount was drawn, I located the center of the circle and drew a vertical line using a common speed square. I used the horizontal belt molding crease as the true horizontal line and drew a perpendicular line through the mount circle.

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I then taped my mirror to the door using masking tape. It required some finagling to get it properly placed and vertical with the drawn line.
A lot of tape was used!!!

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See the vent window clears the mirror head!!

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View from the drivers seat, adjusts just fine, very solid, good size mirror head too.....

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

Next is to pull the door panel, peel back the plastic and see If I can and How can I mount the mirror in my selected location!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

Dave, Is this your cure for floppy mirror syndrome? Razz

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

dobryan wrote:
Dave, Is this your cure for floppy mirror syndrome? Razz



Ha!
Yes it is..... Attractive..... No?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

Well.......

Just an FYI......

Blue tape is the front edge of the door glass......

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OK...... Center Punching and nerve wracking Pilot Drilling.......

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1/2" bit walked a bit on tge top hole....... But no worries.... 1/2" is small....

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Not a final attachment but YES!!!!!

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More details, mistakes and lessons learned (So you don't have to!) coming soon.......

But I'm happy! Vent Window clears! All is well!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

Looks GREAT!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

newfisher wrote:
Looks GREAT!


Thanks!

I am really happy with these mirrors...... Sitting still.
A test drive for wind noise will be on the agenda.

I was concerned about the round mount looking "Odd" but really it fits right in quite well.

I Had my frustrations, I made my "Oh Shoot" mistakes and I determined how to do the drivers side in 1/4 of the time! I was inventing and modifying on the fly.

As with many things I do....... By the rime I complete the task and have it figured out...... I never need to do it again!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

Here is a photo of the inside of the RF door.

The bolt you see in the upper left? That is the front mounting screw for the factory door mirror.

The black channel? The front window channel.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

dobryan wrote:
Dave, Is this your cure for floppy mirror syndrome? Razz

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Gee I've never had to do that, say, on a cross-country road trip...(yes I have)... Embarassed

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Looks really good - very nice work!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

Cool mod!!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

Well, Infinally finished the laundry list of "extras" that popped up once the door panel was removed!

Finished the Passenger Mirror install...... I am very very pleased. It actually looks like it belongs there.

On the drivers side I'll do it differently based upon what I learned by doing the passenger side. I'll lay out dimensions and a mounting "How To".

What I did on the passenger side works just fine....... But I'm not entirely proud of how it got there! .... Embarassed I'd never recommend that anyone do likewise.

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I would go for a test drive and listen for Wind Whistles and such but...... They're forcasting Snow and the anti-snow army is polluting the highways again....... Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:16 am    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

Looks great! Definitely like they were meant to be there.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing Door Mounted Jeep Wrangler Mirrors Reply with quote

Are those mirrors heated or elec adjustable?
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