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AustroBus
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 Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor Coachbuilders #3: Unknown & other ones. |
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| EverettB wrote: |
Barndoor hacked into a Deluxe style Bus
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I just discovered this photo in the Vintage picture thread.
Very interesting roof - looks similar to other buses that we have already seen in this thread. Most of them were located in western Austria or in the south of Germany - according to the licence plates.
Of course i already did my research and if you ask me the building in the back is the state opera in Munich, Bavaria. Might be a little more helpful puzzle piece one day.
Caption: Re-opening of the opera in Munich on November 21st, 1963.
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nezz
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor Coachbuilders #3: Unknown & other ones. |
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djfordmanjack
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nezz
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor Coachbuilders #3: Unknown & other ones. |
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yes, dutch bus
you can tell it's a portuguese BD if the numbers in the center are 12, 13,...until 21/22 if I'm not mistaken |
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djfordmanjack
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor Coachbuilders #3: Unknown & other ones. |
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ok, thx - interesting info! The period Dutch and Portugese plates look very similar at first glance. white on black and similar fond. but the letter-letter number-number . number-number seems to be characteristic of Dutch plates, judging from many vintage pics.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor Coachbuilders #3: Unknown & other ones. |
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I wonder if the owners of VW Deluxe buses talked amongst themselves and called these Dutch Hacks?  
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nezz
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:14 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor Coachbuilders #3: Unknown & other ones. |
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| ok, thx - interesting info! The period Dutch and Portugese plates look very similar at first glance. white on black and similar fond. but the letter-letter number-number . number-number seems to be characteristic of Dutch plates, judging from many vintage pics. |
they're quite alike. portuguese plates are letter-letter . number-number . number-number as are the dutch. the difference is in type of font and dutch plates are very dark blue instead of black like the portuguese ones
dutch plates changed to black on yellow (I recall being in the 70's) and portuguese plates changed to EU standart in early 90s
my 72 plates are white on black and when I travel outside of Portugal I'm always taken as dutch. the funny thing is that the bus came from The Netherlands in 83 |
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djfordmanjack
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor Coachbuilders #3: Unknown & other ones. |
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great info nezz. always interesting to learn about different countries plates ! Thx.
obviously the Dutch and Portugese are very similar and might be mistaken in a b/w pic.
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| djfordmanjack wrote: |
| ok, thx - interesting info! The period Dutch and Portugese plates look very similar at first glance. white on black and similar fond. but the letter-letter number-number . number-number seems to be characteristic of Dutch plates, judging from many vintage pics. |
they're quite alike. portuguese plates are letter-letter . number-number . number-number as are the dutch. the difference is in type of font and dutch plates are very dark blue instead of black like the portuguese ones
dutch plates changed to black on yellow (I recall being in the 70's) and portuguese plates changed to EU standart in early 90s
my 72 plates are white on black and when I travel outside of Portugal I'm always taken as dutch. the funny thing is that the bus came from The Netherlands in 83 |
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AustroBus
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor Coachbuilders #3: Unknown & other ones. |
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Thanks for sharing! This pic reminds me a lot of this other dutch coachbuilt. I can see lots of matching details, especially when i look at the 3 side windows and the long skylight in the rear!
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djfordmanjack
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:51 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor Coachbuilders #3: Unknown & other ones. |
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those buses are freaky, but interesting nonetheless. Obviously the latest one was also built from a panel van (high vents).
passenger seats have headrests ! 
the additional chrome trim is clumsy and cluttered, but nice period details.
I guess taking a short or longer trip in a bus and even a little VW 9 seater was quite expensive and pretty much luxury back in the early 1950s and the travel company owners wanted to show that on their rides. Did anybody else notice that nearly all of these coachbuilt tour buses have radios and tall antennae to show off. of course they had to be long for AM ( longwave) but, sure was a thing to really brag between bus owners.
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djfordmanjack
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor Coachbuilders #3: Unknown & other ones. |
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Alex, I was revisiting the old posts and suddenly when I saw that old pic that I posted years ago it clicked some more. have been interested in vintage flying lately and I am pretty sure that is the KLM ( Dutch airline) logo on front of that Austrian registered (S= Salzburg) coachbuilt. which makes total sense. Salzburg already had its own airport back then and international Airport of Munich is not that far away as well. I am pretty sure that this is the logo and signwriting on that bus.
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How about them? Kohlruss, Schreiner, ….?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor Coachbuilders #3: Unknown & other ones. |
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As i just posted this in "Barndoor Junkie - Vintage Photos" (interesting part starts on page [212], my post on [214]..), i thought this belongs here too!
So please forgive me for just putting this in here without any further info.
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Für Gardinen - MHZ Schienen (rhymes)
For (your) curtains - (use) MHZ (curtain) tracks.
that is another killer company bus. one of the best. loving the color combo, coachbuild trim, rack and script fond.
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| zehbeh wrote: |
Found this on the MHZ site
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| djfordmanjack wrote: |
exactly what I was thinking. the layout and workmanship on the trim and the bus overall is high end, it must have been done by an experienced shop or coachbuilder ...
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Hi guys - i haven't been visiting thesamba in a while - but to bring some light into this case...
These buses were modified by coachbuilder Gottlob Auwärter in Stuttgart-Möhringen.
As so often, this pic first showed up on Facebook on 1st of January 2021 and then was spread throughout Social Media and the web.
And as always - people did not give credit or ad any information on that pic and so a lot of knowledge got lost.
Original source: This facebook post of a page called "Automobil-Park Auwärter" - posting a bunch of pics from the Neoplan Archive.
(Additional note: The Gottlob Auwärter Company existed since 1935 - but from 1953 on they used the brand Neoplan to build Omnibuses with self-supporting bodies.)
If you look at all the pics on that mentioned FB post above, you will notice some similarities on bigger, coachbuilt travel buses to this special VW Bus.
And there is also a pic of another - much bigger MHZ vehicle which even wears the Gottlob Auwärter badge on the side.
See this pic:
Detail pic of the Gottlob Auwärter badge (as seen on the vehicle above - next to the rear wheel on the right side)
I hope this helped. And i also hope the pic of the other non-VW truck doesn't get deleted here, as i uploaded it on thesamba itself :/
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