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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:25 pm Post subject: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Today we will install backing plates and fan on a generator, it's same routine for an alternator. I'll go slow and load photos just three at a time tried more but they load out of order or not at all not sure why so here goes
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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It's in the vise studs are at 12 and 6 position it's like you are sitting in the car looking backwards notice d+ and df are offset . Second photo show first backing plate it's recessed and that faces the generator. Third pic show the ring it acts as a stiffener |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Sorry the third pic is just the backing plate on the gen, it's forth pic showing the ring
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Five ring on the gen then the other half of the backing plate, notice it vents out bottom this cools the gen or alt |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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This series shows second backing plate, notice top stud at 12 next pic hardware 2 thick 2 wave and two M6 nuts. Next shows shows that's also how they go on next tighten , install woodruff key. Last pic shows that cooling opening points down |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Install fan hub then the big wave washer mount the fan and you should have really looked close for stress cracks were the big wave washers contacts it, yes they crack and the break while you are driving last shows tightening with 36 mm socket |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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There's the socket you'll need and finally a torque stripe or witness mark has been applied to verify the fastener has been torqued and that it has not backed off. From now on we can peek back there with a mirror and know the nut is still torqued.
Two things I didn't show. 1. There is a spec measurement between fan and second backing plate, you increase this using shims between the hub and the fan. 2 there is a torque spec on the 36mm nut. Ck the Bentley you'll see it. |
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runamoc Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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There is a spec measurement between fan and second backing plate, you increase this using shims between the hub and the fan. 2 there is a torque spec on the 36mm nut. |
1. 1mm (.040") between the fan and backing plate.
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Thanks, we can call it done. |
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kreemoweet Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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runamoc wrote: |
1 mm (.040") between the fan and backing plate. |
That should say 2 mm, as specified in all the Bentley manuals.
Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
... wave washer ... |
The fan lock washer is not a wave washer, which are symmetric with respect to the plane of the washer. The fan lock washer has the ends bent up
in one direction, but is flat in the perpendicular direction. It is very important to install that washer with the raised-up "wings" pointing AWAY from
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Ok it's not done thanks I've seen lots of chewed up and cracked fans where that washer seats, many moons ago I had one shell out while I was driving. Sounds bad, increases the pucker factor. |
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Mangofish Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
Five ring on the gen then the other half of the backing plate, notice it vents out bottom this cools the gen or alt |
As Zundfolge says "vents out bottom". When I removed my alternator (74 Super Beetle), because it was broke (the battery would not get charged while running and the red/Alternator light would stay lit when the car was shut off and parked), I found the vent pointing up. This caused debris to literally fall into and get funneled right into the alternator. I found one of the wires going to the slip rings to be broken and missing a 1/2" section. There was alot of debris stuck in the windings. The alternator was destroyed by the simple fact some knucklhead installed the vent pointing up instead of down. |
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Tim Donahoe Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Great information!
I did this once in 1994, but have now forgotten the method I used to hold the alternator stationary when tightening the nut. Can I assume that you stick the screwdriver in the slot to engage a bolt, as when replacing a fan belt?
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Mangofish Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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To hold the alternator shaft while tightening the fan nut... I put an open-end wrench on the other end of the shaft where the fan belt pulley adapter and woodruff key is mounted. The adapter is square. The fan belt pulleys will go on later. |
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Tim Donahoe Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Thanks for the information.
Tim _________________ Let's do the Time Warp again!
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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Thanks Jim.
I'll add it to the FAQs when I get a chance. _________________ Glenn
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:50 am Post subject: Re: Generator or alternator install fan and backing plates |
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As they say "size matters" |
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