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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:36 am    Post subject: Euro headlight lenses RHD Reply with quote

Some years ago I bought a box of NOS Ghia parts from a guy in NZ primarily for the exterior door handles. In amongst it were some nos lenses.

Now I'm looking at them closely for the first time, they are different to the OG lenses on my RHD 63 coupe.

The new ones appear symmetrical ie not particularly RHD or LHD.

Also while I'm at it, directly in front of the bulbs one side headlight internal assembly has a half reflector, the other has a full one. Which is correct for the drivers side?
Any help appreciated.

OG lens
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New lens
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Marking at bottom of new lens
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New lens fitted to rest of assembly
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: Euro headlight lenses RHD Reply with quote

The part number 141 941 115 is the Headlamp glass up to Chassis No. 3 192 506. Which is pre Aug 1960. So the change occurs for the '61 model year.
After that 141 941 115 D is the asymmetrical glass for Right Hand traffic and 141 941 115 A is the asymmetrical glass for Left hand traffic with the code M187.

I have a photos of both of the symmetric and asymmetric lenses. This asymmetric lens is an example of 141 941 115 D for USA, Europe etc
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And this is 141 941 115 A for Australia, UK, Sth Africa, Japan etc,
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..... which is a match for the Lens you have.

So you can use either lens but the Asymmetric lens is more correct for your model year. You should have no trouble selling the NOS ones because those are compatible LHD or RHD.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: Euro headlight lenses RHD Reply with quote

Sputnick, I think you have the photos around the wrong way... The asymmetrical lense that Angus shows is RHD, as are the two you have in the photo on the blue cloth background?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Euro headlight lenses RHD Reply with quote

Whoops! you are right.. Late night edits ... Should have been sleeping.. I'll fix it up in the post.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Euro headlight lenses RHD Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm actually interested now in where these symmetrical lenses would have been used. I've only ever seen (or noticed) asymmetrical lenses, LHD or RHD.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Euro headlight lenses RHD Reply with quote

Angus Dowrie wrote:
I'm actually interested now in where these symmetrical lenses would have been used.


The Symmetrical lenses are used in Lowlights and the 1960 model year. Most Ghias delivered to Australia came in during 1960 through 1965. about 800 cars all up.

KG SALES Numbers. Calandar year not model year (MY)

YEAR NUMBER

1959 15 <symmetrical lens probably MY 1960
1960 264 <symmetrical lens
1961 284 < first year asymmetrical lens
1962 97
1963 81
1964 28
1965 31
1966 5
1967 0
1968 2

TOTAL 807
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Euro headlight lenses RHD Reply with quote

sputnick60 wrote:
Angus Dowrie wrote:
I'm actually interested now in where these symmetrical lenses would have been used.


The Symmetrical lenses are used in Lowlights and the 1960 model year. Most Ghias delivered to Australia came in during 1960 through 1965. about 800 cars all up.

KG SALES Numbers. Calandar year not model year (MY)

YEAR NUMBER

1959 15 <symmetrical lens probably MY 1960
1960 264 <symmetrical lens
1961 284 < first year asymmetrical lens
1962 97
1963 81
1964 28
1965 31
1966 5
1967 0
1968 2

TOTAL 807


Thanks Nicholas

My car is an October '62 build, so is probably one of the 81 delivered in 1963. I had seen these figures before but had thought they were based on model year, not calendar. Either way, makes you realise not many came to Oz officially!

Now I'll have to think about which ones to use. My intention had always been to use the new ones, they are a little clearer than the OG used ones I guess with a lack of use/scratches etc. But I am trying to make it as correct as possible.

Somewhat of a first world problem I know, but this is the sort of thing that takes up a ridiculous amount of thought when you are restoring one of these cars.....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Euro headlight lenses RHD Reply with quote

If you want clean glass, Keep an eye out for this.
https://www.vwheritage.com/shop/142941115A/headlig...src=slider

Presently out of stock but coming soon it says

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: Euro headlight lenses RHD Reply with quote

sputnick60 wrote:
Angus Dowrie wrote:
I'm actually interested now in where these symmetrical lenses would have been used.


The Symmetrical lenses are used in Lowlights and the 1960 model year. Most Ghias delivered to Australia came in during 1960 through 1965. about 800 cars all up.

KG SALES Numbers. Calandar year not model year (MY)

YEAR NUMBER

1959 15 <symmetrical lens probably MY 1960
1960 264 <symmetrical lens
1961 284 < first year asymmetrical lens
1962 97
1963 81
1964 28
1965 31
1966 5
1967 0
1968 2

TOTAL 807


I've always wondered about that very useful list, so it's by CALENDAR year! I've always had that feeling. The 'Birth Certificate' for my 30th September 1960 production vehicle has M 187 Headlamps for left-hand traffic listed on it. I've often wondered how long the gap was between production and arrival at an Australian dealership.
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