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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

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Does anyone else NOT have an "OXS" indicator light on their instrument cluster? My 91 Westy doesn't have it.

A PO glued a penny over where mine might be - so I assume I do have one, but I can't see it...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

My '89 doesn't have the Ox light
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

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Three production changes that quickly come to mind:

1. Rear license plate/oil filler flap handle changed from curled style to grab handle. (1983 or 1984)

2. Rear decklid push-button and surrounding sheetmetal revised. (1984)

3. Chrome front bumper gained embossed ridge along back edge. Used to be flat like the rear.

I'll add pictures when I have a chance. Fun thread!

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So .... The front bumper embossed ridge...... As in this photo on my 86?

Who has photos of the earlier bumper?
Who knows when they changed?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

D Clymer wrote:
Three production changes that quickly come to mind:

1. Rear license plate/oil filler flap handle changed from curled style to grab handle. (1983 or 1984)

2. Rear decklid push-button and surrounding sheetmetal revised. (1984)

3. Chrome front bumper gained embossed ridge along back edge. Used to be flat like the rear.

I'll add pictures when I have a chance. Fun thread!

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The license plate door.....
Here is my 86......

Anyone have photos of the older style?
When did they change?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

Sliding door change....

When exactly did it take place?
For all of 85 or early in the 85 year run?

And exactly what are the differences?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

1980 had a very nice metal hoop to pull and release the spare tire, 81 and on had the plastic pull hoop and sometime later the whole latch assembly went to all plastic.

The fridge also changed to an auto reignitor setup in 1990.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

My 85 has the late sliding door and the late license plate flap.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

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Sliding door change....

When exactly did it take place?
For all of 85 or early in the 85 year run?

And exactly what are the differences?

Dave


Hi Dave,

As far as I know, all 1985 model year vans have the updated sliding door. It can be spotted by the shorter handle and deeper, but smaller handle recess.

The entire track assembly is different on the newer system and it eliminated the nylon guide bushings used on the early door.

The window aperture on the later sliding door is also slightly shorter.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:15 am    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

My '87 has this stamp 10/86

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

Adjustable front seat arm rests..... What year?

Up to and through 86 is a No.

87????

88 and up seems like a Yes?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:
Adjustable front seat arm rests..... What year?

Up to and through 86 is a No.

87????

88 and up seems like a Yes?

Dave


The adjustable armrests were introduced for MY 1987.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

Arm rest and rear window vents on my 88.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

Well, yes, the title says '87, and the 10/86 seems to confirm. Front seats are both adjustable arms. Although, the driver door has the electric mirror adjuster, which does not work, and I can't find Fuse #25. Looks to me a lot like the driver side took a full front to rear swipe. It is entirely possible that the driver door was replaced with another perhaps newer one. Also, I'd guess the PO upgraded the seats if they weren't standard for that year. That old Duffer really did some amazing stuff, from all the things I have found thus far. The only thing I truly detest was to cut off the closet door.... I think the door that could swing open over the table was a year or so later? Hence, the PO was aware of that from somewhere, and doing 'upgrades' as he could. Too bad about the cabinet frame. The door is not good, but the frame, sheesh, come on!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:59 am    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

The closet door length is a new item to me.

What year did Westfalia change the design and does anyone have photos of the design change?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:
The closet door length is a new item to me.

What year did Westfalia change the design and does anyone have photos of the design change?

Dave


Actually, it was more of a model change.

All Joker/Club Joker models have the tall door. And all California/Atlantic have the shorter door.

California first appeared in late 88, and the Atlantic in early 89. But there were some overlap Joker production after that (up to 90 I believe)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

My 1991 Carat has factory painted sound deadening on the rear engine deck and behind the rear seat while my 1980 aircooled and 1985 Westy are just painted metal.

My 1982 Diesel however has the same sound deadening treatment....
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

D Clymer wrote:
djkeev wrote:
Sliding door change....

When exactly did it take place?
For all of 85 or early in the 85 year run?

And exactly what are the differences?

Dave


Hi Dave,

As far as I know, all 1985 model year vans have the updated sliding door. It can be spotted by the shorter handle and deeper, but smaller handle recess.

The entire track assembly is different on the newer system and it eliminated the nylon guide bushings used on the early door.

The window aperture on the later sliding door is also slightly shorter.

Dave


Dave(s), regarding the sliding door changes, was there a change in window size?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

Someone asked about date stamps...There are date stamps on the front of the wheel rims that show the month and year of manufacture... my spare is from 1977![/b]
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:
The closet door length is a new item to me.

What year did Westfalia change the design and does anyone have photos of the design change?

Dave


When I was shopping for a Westy camper I saw an '87 with the long door (shortened as in the photo above) and bought a '90 with a short door. My '85 had the long door.

I find the short door to be much more convenient due to the easier access to the closet.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: Body Changes.... How is my 91 different from your 80? Reply with quote

OddN wrote:
Actually, it was more of a model change.

All Joker/Club Joker models have the tall door. And all California/Atlantic have the shorter door.


All Westfalia full-campers shipped to North America had the short closet door beginning with the 1989 model year (no such thing as Joker and California here). That door is one of the reasons I limited my search to '89-'91.
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