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Syncro Jael Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:27 am Post subject: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Has anyone tried this in a Syncro transaxle yet?
Any thoughts from the tranny Gurus? I still struggle with the cold temp shifting using Swepco 201. But am keeping it for the R&P.
Formulated with MolyXP & Lubiumฎ II SWEPCO 202 MolyXP 75W90 Synthetic Gear Lube is a high performance gear oil formulated to deliver unsurpassed, all-weather performance. Whether the application calls for protection of heavy over the road trucking or automobiles, SWEPCOs Syntheon synthetic base stock, MolyXP advanced EP additive and proprietary Lubiumฎ II chemistry insure extended drain protection from wear foaming, overheating, deposits, rust and water contamination. If you want to insure maximum performance, smoother shifting and longer gear box life, choose SWEPCO 202 MolyXP 75W90 Synthetic Gear Lube.
* Note: SWEPCO 202 is a multi-grade product that has the viscosity of an SAE 75W (ISO 32) in cold weather start up conditions and the viscosity of an SAE 90 (ISO 220) once it has reached operating temperatures. it is intended for applications that require an SAE 75W90 pr a single grade SEA 90 but could benefit from improved cold weather start up performance. It is not intended to be substituted where OEM recommendations call for single grade 75w, 80w or 90 weights
Typical Physical Characteristics
SAE Gear Oil Grade
75W90
ISO Viscosity Grade
ISO 32-220
API Gravity, 60 ฐ F
33
Density @ 60 ฐ C, lbs / gal (kg / l)
7,21 (0,865)
Flash point, COC, ฐ F (ฐ C)
410 (210)
Viscosity, 40 ฐ C, cSt
81,33
Viscosity 100 ฐ C, cSt
14,76
Pour Point, ฐ F (ฐ C) Max
-49 (-45)
Viscosity Index
191
Feature Benefit
Characteristics
Syntheon Gives you a more uniform viscosity over a wide temperature range
Helps improve thermal stability and resistance to high temperature oxidation
Better low temperature flow characteristics help reduce start-up wear
Extends service life
MolyXP Ads a protective film on moving parts that dramatically reduces friction & wear
LUBIUMฎ II Enhances oxidation and corrosion resistance
Multi-Grade Formulation Insure full film lubrication without channeling on start-up in cold temperatures
Lower fuel/energy consumption during equipment warm up
Full SAE 90 viscosity at operating temperature
Oxidation Inhibitor Reduces oil thickening
Helps prevent sludge, varnish and carbon deposits that result from oxidation
Rust & corrosion Inhibitor Builds a chemical bond with the surface to keep moisture and acids from penetrating and attacking the surfaces
Anti-Foam Additive Can lower oil temperatures by 20 -50cF by dispersing foam, releasing trapped heat
Oiliness Additive Enables the oil to penetrate the surface for better lubrication
Anti-Wear Additive Helps prevent metal to metal contact, friction and wear
Extreme Pressure Additive Increases film strength of the oil giving it the ability to withstand extreme pressures without harming yellow metals
Demulsifier Additive Promotes rapid water separation and easy water drain off after shut down
Pour Point Depressant Additive Gives the oil better low temperature flow characteristics
Helps to reduce low temperature start-up wear
Viscosity Index Improver Additive Less high temperature thinning and low temperature thickening
Limited Slip Differential Additive Insures proper frictional characteristics to eliminate chatter, shudder
Saves Energy Increased oiliness provides friction reducing film on vital metal parts to improve fuel economy
Long Life Drain cycles 2-3 times longer than conventional oils
Reduces waste oil
LabTecSM Fluid Analysis Program Maximizes equipment and lubricant life and helps identify impending problems
Thanks,
Ron
http://www.paragon-products.com/Swepco-202-Gear-Oil-p/swepco-202.htm _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Hightop - NAHT
Subaru EJ25 Forged Frankenmotor, Triple Knob.
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gears Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2002 Posts: 4391 Location: Tamarack, Bend, Kailua
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Sounds pretty good, and from a manufacturer I trust. _________________ aka Pablo, Geary
9.36 @ 146 in '86 Hot & Sticky
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'87 Syncro GL 2.5
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insyncro Banned
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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News to me, but I'll try it. |
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Syncro Jael Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2013 Posts: 2204 Location: Utah
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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insyncro wrote: |
News to me, but I'll try it. |
Dylan,
You wanted to see the magnet on the tranny you sold my son. We just dumped the gear oil and here is the magnet. This has 28k more miles on it.
I can't believe he is selling his pride and joy. It is up for sale on The Samba. I told him we should change the fluids in the van so the new owner knows it was all recently done. It has fresh Swepco 201 in the box.
We also did the CV joints.
Thanks again for all of your help and sharing your wisdom. _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Hightop - NAHT
Subaru EJ25 Forged Frankenmotor, Triple Knob.
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Merian Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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why not contact Swepco?
also find out if the Vanagon has Porsche type synchronizers, or Borg-warner or what & tell them that |
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gears Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2002 Posts: 4391 Location: Tamarack, Bend, Kailua
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Most Vanagon transaxles will have moly coated synchro rings (Borg Warner style).
I think Porsche patented balkring type synchronizers (moly coated steel bands) are only found in pre-'87 Porsches and some early BMWs. Porsche moved over to Borg Warner synchros in '87.
While Swepco 201 was developed especially for Porsche Motorsports, it works well for many different marques, especially beneficial for the R&Ps in racing transaxles. This is the reason we like it. Not because it shifts smooth. _________________ aka Pablo, Geary
9.36 @ 146 in '86 Hot & Sticky
'90 Syncro Westy SVX
'87 Syncro GL 2.5
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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gears wrote: |
Sounds pretty good, and from a manufacturer I trust. |
Hey Paul, what do reckon regarding its compatibility with a Peloquin and a Subaru engine?
Thanks, Jake _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
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gears Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2002 Posts: 4391 Location: Tamarack, Bend, Kailua
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Most LSDs need no additives to combat chattering, and in fact often suffer performance-wise if additives or moly is used. But the Peloquin is a TBD, and performs pretty much the same with all oil types. _________________ aka Pablo, Geary
9.36 @ 146 in '86 Hot & Sticky
'90 Syncro Westy SVX
'87 Syncro GL 2.5
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Syncro Jael wrote: |
insyncro wrote: |
News to me, but I'll try it. |
Dylan,
You wanted to see the magnet on the tranny you sold my son. We just dumped the gear oil and here is the magnet. This has 28k more miles on it.
I can't believe he is selling his pride and joy. It is up for sale on The Samba. I told him we should change the fluids in the van so the new owner knows it was all recently done. It has fresh Swepco 201 in the box.
We also did the CV joints.
Thanks again for all of your help and sharing your wisdom. |
Ron,
Vans come and go.
Sorry to hear that your Son's is going.
Many others are selling nice vans right now as well.
Tis the season.
I am very glad that the transmission was a faithful one for those miles.
Also thanks for the 202 tip, going to order some up and give it a whirl.
Like Paul, I trust Swepco. |
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Mountain1.8t Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Has anyone actually tried this yet? |
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Reck Samba Member
Joined: January 20, 2015 Posts: 73 Location: Santa Fe, NM
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Merian wrote: |
why not contact Swepco?
also find out if the Vanagon has Porsche type synchronizers, or Borg-warner or what & tell them that |
This poster from another gear lube thread asked and here's Swepco's response:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8028812#8028812
I'd like to hear of someone's experience going from 201 to the 202. I'm breaking in a AA rebuild on 201 and over the winter it's been pretty stiff with unavoidable moderate chunking going into second when cold. Nothing drastic, just not sure I want to keep that behavior forever, since I'm not running a high-horsepower engine. _________________ '84 Westy 2wd, TBD, Bostig RG4 completed 9/16.
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Syncro Jael Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Running_Man wrote: |
Has anyone actually tried this yet? |
I have about 8000 miles on my rebuilt syncro transaxle running Swepco 202. It shifts flawlessly even in subzero temps. This will be the first season of summer temps coming, but it runs cooler than the last transaxle I had in it with Swepco 201.
My filter and magnet check looked great.
So far so good. I am also running a new Weddle ring and pinion. So the verdict is still out on how long it will give me service. I did break it in as per Weddle instructions and hopefully I don't have any early failures.
Time will tell. I run an EJ22.
EDIT: I went out and checked the odometer 9,120 miles on rebuild since 10/10/16. Here is a clip of the swarf captured on the last filter check 12/3/16 at 91,626 miles. This gearbox has been running Swepco 202 from the start.
Link
_________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Hightop - NAHT
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
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Reck Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Syncro Jael wrote: |
Running_Man wrote: |
Has anyone actually tried this yet? |
I have about 8000 miles on my rebuilt syncro transaxle running Swepco 202. It shifts flawlessly even in subzero temps. This will be the first season of summer temps coming, but it runs cooler than the last transaxle I had in it with Swepco 201.
My filter and magnet check looked great.
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This is sounding better and better.
In a different thread a few months ago, commenting on Swepco 202, member gears suggested he might soon have a new recommendation on oil for our transaxles (at least from his perspective of syncro/high-hp). Unfortunately, in searching I don't find that he's made one. _________________ '84 Westy 2wd, TBD, Bostig RG4 completed 9/16. |
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Syncro Jael Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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ALIKA T3 wrote: |
So the transmission shifts better with 202 than 201 according to your experience? |
My last transaxle always was difficult to shift from the day I installed it. Since it was installed in October, and I used Swepco 201, with the cold temps I just shrugged it off to the gear oil. But when summer came it was still notchy in first and second gears. Since the main bearing failed, cracked race, I installed another transaxle rebuilt from Mr. Gas. It has only seen Swepco 202 and has always shifted like butter in all gears at all temperatures.
So I am probably not the best example of testing.
The Swepco 202 is about $95 a gallon everywhere I looked once you add shipping. _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Hightop - NAHT
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Syncro Jael wrote: |
ALIKA T3 wrote: |
So the transmission shifts better with 202 than 201 according to your experience? |
My last transaxle always was difficult to shift from the day I installed it. Since it was installed in October, and I used Swepco 201, with the cold temps I just shrugged it off to the gear oil. But when summer came it was still notchy in first and second gears. Since the main bearing failed, cracked race, I installed another transaxle rebuilt from Mr. Gas. It has only seen Swepco 202 and has always shifted like butter in all gears at all temperatures.
So I am probably not the best example of testing.
The Swepco 202 is about $95 a gallon everywhere I looked once you add shipping. |
Aouch! and doesn't ship to Hawai'i :/
Thank you for your input _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget |
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dyldebus Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:18 am Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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So glad to finally see this! I really hate shifting with 201 when the van is cold. It's turned into a game to see if I can shift at the perfect time with just the right movement to avoid clunking. I love 201 when it's warm but I've had 202 in my cart for 6 months for someone to try it.
8k miles is a nice trial period. Please post again if you run into any troubles. Thanks! |
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Reck Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Syncro Gael wrote: |
...has only seen Swepco 202 and has always shifted like butter in all gears at all temperatures. |
Thanks for all your input. Well, I guess I'll be the first to report back-to-back differences in shift action between 201 and 202. Unless dyldebus gets there first.
dyldebus wrote: |
...I really hate shifting with 201 when the van is cold. It's turned into a game to see if I can shift at the perfect time with just the right movement to avoid clunking... |
My experience exactly.
Here's a supplier that will ship it for under $91:
https://www.paragon-products.com/ShoppingCart.asp _________________ '84 Westy 2wd, TBD, Bostig RG4 completed 9/16. |
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Syncro Jael Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Reck wrote: |
Here's a supplier that will ship it for under $91: |
Yes, that is where I just purchased mine from:
Code: swepco-202
Product: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil
Quantity: 2 @$76.95
Subtotal: $153.90
Tax: $0.00
Shipping & Handling: $16.96
Grand Total: $170.86
It is always good to have some on the shelf... _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Hightop - NAHT
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Reck Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil |
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Syncro Jael wrote: |
It is always good to have some on the shelf... |
Well, yes, but I think you're the fellow with one or two extra transaxles also on the shelf... _________________ '84 Westy 2wd, TBD, Bostig RG4 completed 9/16. |
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