Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil

[Reck]

[Edited with more detail, a correction]
Wow, what a difference. Could not be happier with the feel of the gearbox now, with 202 in it. Smooth, no fight getting into first, no harsh chunking into second, buttery feel into third and fourth, far less cold-start effect. Yet I'm confident this company's product is not sacrificing performance for 'feel', especially in my moderate torque/horsepower, 2wd application.

For what it's worth, Swepco okayed 202 for my specific setup when I queried them, and Gary Peloquin okayed 203 (uses Swepco's moly additive, as in 202), some while back when I was thinking about using it.

I chose to break-in the AA rebuild with 201, rather than the RedLine AA recommends, due to the poor estimation of RedLine in threads here. I sort of see AA's rationale, assuming low hp, a gentle break-in, and a short one (say 500 mi). But I have to do my mechanic-ing outside and winter loomed, so I went with something I was confident in for 1000+ miles. The 201 sure was stiff over the winter. Here are drain-plug photos:

Wiped off, there were only three or four granular bits (visible on the towel below the smear). Everything else was powder-fine. I think I'm happy with this. But I'm really happy there's 202 in there now.
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'84 Westy 2wd, TBD, Bostig RG4 completed 9/16.

[gears]

Thanks for the valuable feedback, guys. Please keep us informed "down the road" (as to what you see on the drain plug, etc) ..
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aka Pablo, Geary
9.36 @ 146 in '86 Hot & Sticky
'90 Syncro Westy SVX
'87 Syncro GL 2.5
https://guardtransaxle.com

[Waldi]

There is no question about using a good 75-90 GL 4/5 full synthetic oil in new, cleaned, maintained boxes, Paul.
I am using it since over 10 years in over 100 boxes.
Just shaking my head over the price you pay there.
Here is 1L 5 Euro.

[gears]

Generalizations don't seem to work for us here, Waldi. A number of U.S. synthetics have fallen FAR short in their job of protecting our internals. "Shifts good" isn't nearly as important to me as "parts look good" during disassembly.
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aka Pablo, Geary
9.36 @ 146 in '86 Hot & Sticky
'90 Syncro Westy SVX
'87 Syncro GL 2.5
https://guardtransaxle.com

[Waldi]

So how can you know if it is a bad quality of parts or bad oil ?
Thats why i use the same oil since ever and also the same deliverer of parts.
But i would not worrie to use another oil with same specifications like mine from a known manufacturer.


Seems like boxes over there fail because of parts, oil, mechanics, driving style. Did i forget something ? Oh, wait, age and miles
Too many generalizations

[Jon_slider]

[regis101]

So, i'm three beers into this.
Read what I think is a reference to 2WD transaxles also benefit from the 202?
I went into the FAQ. Read that. Linked into the 50+ page dialogue from a few yrs ago. Read some of that. So... Swepco 202 is good for our 2WD's also?
Thanks,
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Peace, Regis

[Jon_slider]

[regis101]

Cool. Thanks.
I have stone cold hard shifting from first to second and/or neutral to first ,until about fifteen minutes of driving. Related this to the shift mechanism. It may well be part of the equation. But I'm due for a trans fluid change anyway to make ready for the new camping season.

* quick update from their website.
Specifications Exceeded
API GL-5 • API MT-1 • SAE J2360 • Mack Trucks GO-J • GM 12346140 • Ford M2C-192A • Chrysler MS-8985 • Porsche Transaxle & Manual Transmissions • And all other OEM 75w90 Service Specifications*

To reiterate , the GL-5 info is ok?
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Peace, Regis

[Jon_slider]

[Reck]

Yes. That old yellow-metals thing just doesn't die. As I understand it, when GL-5 was published, some manufacturers reached it with compounds that were not yellow-metal compatible. But GL-5 itself as a spec is neutral, and Swepco 201, 202 and 203, if not all their GL-5, is fine. Here's Swepco's response to me regarding 201 (their response to the same query about 202 is the same, I just can't find it to quote):

"Thank you for your inquiry and for using SWEPCO products. Yes SWEPCO 201 gear oil is compatible with the brass components in the VW Transaxle. SWEPCO 201 is design to be compatible with all yellow metals even at high temperatures over an extended time. SWEPCO 201 will give you excellent service in your VW. Please let us know if you have further questions."

Edit, found it:

"202 should work well in this application. It is yellow metal friendly and will fix the low temperature issues.

With kind regards,

John Barnes
Southwestern Petroleum Corporation
Senior Scientist, Manager of Research, Development, and Technical Services."
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'84 Westy 2wd, TBD, Bostig RG4 completed 9/16.

[Reck]

[regis101]

[Jon_slider]

[regis101]

[Waldi]

Regis,
how many miles on your box ?
I am not sure if filling it with synthetic oil is something good to it.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...c+oil+dirt

[Jon_slider]

[Waldi]

Fake news or alternative facts ?

"Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oi"

[Jon_slider]

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