Swepco 202 - Moly XP 75W90 Synthetic Transmission Oil

[Jon_slider]

[regis101]

I did use Liqui Moly products many moons ago in an AC Bus/Westy. German lube for a German vehicle was the train of thought. iirc, the engine developed some leaks. I don't remember how the trans reacted.

I'm equating the Swepco into a similar family of lubes. I'll give it a try.
No harm. No foul. I hope.
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[Waldi]

You should add " swepco is are fake news!" lol

[Waldi]

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[flomulgator]

Put electrical tape over your microwave window like a normal person. Next your gonna tell me your blender is unsecured too huh?


Waldi if gear oil is anything like motor oil "synthetic" doesn't have to mean "synthetic". If you go to the store we have "Castrol Synthetic" and for more $$ "Castrol Synthetic Euro formula". Guess which one is actually synthetic. It has to be shipped from factories in Belgium and Germany.

Many Americans prefer coca-cola from Mexico now too, because they make it better than we can at home, as an ironic comparison. Like Euro synthetic oils though, it is hard to find though because our markets are flooded with cheap domestic crap.
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[Waldi]

Yeah, sure, also here you have to read exactly what they want to sell to you.
You can find "half synthetic", "systhetic formula", "synthetic base", but only if they write "full synthetic" it is very possible to get a synthetic oil.
I wont say that a non synthetic oil will not work in our boxes, (there are still working gearboxes with 30 years old w80 oil ) but the reason why i choose a full synthetic oil in new, clean boxes, is because only full synthetic oil has the application api 4 AND 5, and because of the higher temperatur resistance without leaving black burned stuff inside.

A good site to check euro oils is
https://www.reifendirekt.de/cgi-bin/oshop.pl?cart_...e+anzeigen

[Syncro Jael]

Here is an update of my Syncro Transaxle running Swepco 202.
It is also in the cooling/filtering post.

Just an FYI.


Link

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Subaru EJ25 Forged Frankenmotor, Triple Knob.
Jael = (Mountain Goat)

[Jon_slider]

[DometicLover]

Does it correlate with your recent weight loss as well? Van weight, not yours... What was the weight during those miles?

[Syncro Jael]

[Pcforno]

Yes the filtering and cooling definitely works. I need to make a video when I do this too but I have essentially the same exam - almost no swarf on a new GW rebuild, filtering to 7 microns, magnom filter, and jet of oil at 4th/MS. Mine is set to go on when I hit above MPH ( to catch whenever I'm in 4th)

I'm gonna switch to 202 I think as well. The 201 is tough in the winter temps below 30 and I like the idea of synthetic and moly.

[Sodo]

I spoke with John Barnes at Swepco a year ago. I did not realize he was Senior Scientist.

Barnes told me that you cannot solve a mechanical problem with chemical means. We were discussing overload of the VW gearbox. He said there are things you can do to prolong the life; there are is chemical, cooling, filtering solutions. He said clean oil is a given requirement for overloaded machinery, and often machinery cannot be shut-down, therefore many companies exist to provide a filtering service while the machine is running. They come to the factory on a periodic basis to cleanse the oil.

He said that Swepco company's existence it due to the fact that many industrial systems are being overloaded, run beyond their capacity, with no possibility of re-design. They know it, consequently the operators are lookingthe best possible chemical solution they can get. Which he says of course,,, is Swepco! Which could be true, but we can't know that. And a filtering regime too (if any metal fines are detected).

He recommended their Synthetic Moly 203 as the best possible oil for our problem and he said the moly cannot be filtered or settled out. I think 202 is synthetic+moly and 203 is 201+moly. So 202 would probably shift easier.

He said oil cannot solve the horsepower problem but there are several things that can be done to prolong the life (cooling, fitering). He never said that settling was as good as changing the oil but he did say that their moly doesn't settle out because it's a "chemical moly". Hmmmmm. I wonder what the Liqui-moly folks think of that. Mr Barnes also said that metal fines will "settle out" of gear oil by gravity over time and that it's "100%". As one Samba fella said (PCForno) "yeah that stuff's gotta get outta there". I noted significant purification in 3 weeks settling. More info here in the "summer/winter 6 months settling thread".
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'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb

[Syncro Jael]

[Reck]

[Sodo]

We were discussing max protection and he recommended Moly 203.

I've read in a couple places that you can't have easy shifting and maximum protection from the same gear oil. You get one or the other. But you will get longest life from max protection. Keep in mind you have to enjoy this longer trans life. I'm running Lubrication Engineers Synolec 9919, I like how it shifts much better than the Swepco 201 (probably similar shifting to 203?).

You have a sensible motor (Subaru 2.2 or Bostig or GW 2.5) perhaps you can opt for easy shifting. Bigger motor? - better have cooling and filtering, or an aggressive gear oil cleanliness regime! For any hope of long life you should have a cleanliness regime. Imagine if it was kept clean from mile zero? Other than that silly 3-4 hub breaking these trans would all be running longer on original german parts if the gear oil was changed several times (instead of once at 120,000).
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'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb

[Pcforno]

Should be easy enough to call back or email the swepco scientist and ask which gear oil - 202 vs 203, given our main concerns over 4th gear, MS bearing thrust, and hypoid R and P.
If the synthetic has a higher viscosity than the Dino oil, and synthetics are less likely to suffer thermal breakdown (as we know) wouldn't it be better? The scientist should know...

[Sodo]

[Pcforno]

Sodo - when you talked with him over a year ago, 202 wasn't out yet, only 203...

[Sodo]

Well that's a good point.

I'd like to know how much better it is, but not sure if that's possible to know. I've never seen any info showing what's the actual power-handling increase available with better oils. Is it more than single-digit? I've seen claims of 3-7% increases, which is a marginal benefit when you've increased power by 44% (130hp) or 83%(165hp).

Better oils likely tolerate higher temperatures for longer periods, and other benefits too. I know very little about oils. It's very difficult (for a general consumer) to keep your wits about you in any market where the profit margin is so high. Very, very smart, motivated people are managing the "education" for their profit, and nobody really cares so they pretty much have carte blanche to write the current wisdom.

One should never forget the propensity to recommend the oil that offers the best % reseller markup.
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'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb