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67ctbug
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 Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:52 pm Post subject: Locking Seats? |
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Hi! I have a question about my seats. So I have a 67 bug which should have the seat locks on the side (March 1967), well it doesn't have locks at all!
My question is, can I make them locking or should I start my hunt for seat backs from 67? Thanks
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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Excuse me, is that twin brake lines going to the rear? 
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67ctbug
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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| Excuse me, is that twin brake lines going to the rear? |
I think one is the brake and the other is fuel. The bug came like that, haven't really checked it out
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67ctbug
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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So does that mean it can't be converted to locking? There's a set of 67 seats on the classifieds now but I'm pretty sure they're 200$. 
The bottom on mine is original I'm almost positive. Just the top is older I guess.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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Looks like you have mis-matched seatbacks and seat bottoms. The painted frames would be the same colour ..white or black. Also, if the seatbottoms were 67's, they'd have evidence of the rod mechanism that would have connected to the release latch which was located on the side of the seatback. That doesn't appear to be there from what I can see in the pics. So, I'd guess you have 65 or earlier seatbottoms as well. I'm guessing that original 67 seats might be hard to come by. I have a passenger side seat (complete, but needs a new plastic knob on the seatback release) ....but it would be expensive to ship to the States from here in western Canada.
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67ctbug
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:33 am Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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Ok so I'll start my search. I'm starting to get the feeling I can't just convert them 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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The bottoms in your pictures appear to be 1966 and 1967.. and have the hook lock.. so you have... half of what you need.
All you need is the correct seat backs.. the release/lock mechanism is on the seat back legs.
Choose either...
1966 gray knob low lever release
1967 black knob low lever release (Early)
1967 Side seat back upper release (Late)
Any of those will give you the locking function you need.
I couldnt find a close picture of the late 67 (and newer) style.. it functions the same but instead of a lower lever it uses a slide knob on the seat back side and a rod to control the release.
1966 and Early 67 style
Late 67 (and newer)
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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Did not know I could adjust the back of my seat to different positions in my '66. I need to pay more attention.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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| Did not know I could adjust the back of my seat to different positions in my '66. I need to pay more attention. |
or read your owners manual.. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/aug65bug.php
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67ctbug
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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Perfect thanks volkswagnut so you are saying I just need the seat back. I'll start the hunt for late 67 seat backs.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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| 67ctbug wrote: |
| Perfect thanks volkswagnut so you are saying I just need the seat back. I'll start the hunt for late 67 seat backs. |
(insert sighing noise.. here) ... for the cheap seats I'll repeat...
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The bottoms in your pictures appear to be 1966 and 1967.. and have the hook lock.. so you have... half of what you need. ......All you need is the correct seat backs.. the release/lock mechanism is on the seat back legs. . |
So yeah!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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I shall start my hunt! I think I'm going to a swap meet soon so I'll keep my eyes peeled.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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| 67ctbug wrote: |
| I shall start my hunt! I think I'm going to a swap meet soon so I'll keep my eyes peeled. |
Plus.. those pre 65 seat backs you are taking off... can certainly be sold.. to help fund the correct locking replacements.
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67ctbug
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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| VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
| 67ctbug wrote: |
| I shall start my hunt! I think I'm going to a swap meet soon so I'll keep my eyes peeled. |
Plus.. those pre 65 seat backs you are taking off... can certainly be sold.. to help fund the correct locking replacements.
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I didn't think of that... Also did I here that I could make low backs from 68 seats?
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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Also did I here that I could make low backs from 68 seats? |
Yes and no..
Yes high backs can be cut down easily to make low backs.. BUT be careful and know what you are looking at and buying.
When high backs are cut down they are boxed and look more like 64 and prior seat backs... You would then need the 65-67 swayed seat back springs then.. to fake the low 67 funk..
PLUS!!!!
The seat back leg pivot bolt (stud) size changed both size and (pivot) location at some time between 1968 and 1971.. (dont know exact year on that). This changed the seat back leg angle to the seat bottom frame as well.
How do I know ^^^ .. pfffff..  long short story.. and lesson.
I had 70 high backs in my 67... figured I could simply have high backs for driving.. and swap just the backs to low.. when I wanted them on.. high for long drives...low for the look. .
Once I recovered just my 67 front seat backs to match . tried to swap and slide those 67 backs.. on my previously recovered 70 seats (bottoms).. 
Certain combinations of bottoms and backs simply will not work together...
Luckily ... it was an easy fix as I had all the right parts .. just took more time.. Now.. just low only.. and sold the highs..
If I were to cut down high backs... Id want the known matching configuration seat bottoms..
Just information to note when shopping..
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67ctbug
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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So that's a negative on cutting seats. One because they wouldn't be right and two because it sounds like too much work to cut something that wouldn't look right without more work. It also seems mean to cut original vw equipment someone might need.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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As you can see from these two pics, the 1966 and 1967 VW Beetle front seatback release mechanism are quite different, so I can't really see that the seatbacks and seat bottoms would be interchangeable, unless all the relevant hardware was changed as weil. ....but then, what would be the point?
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Locking Seats? |
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Ya know.. that's true.. and you have a great point. Good catch.. forgot all about that slight change.. ..
Early 67 with the LOW lever and 1966 are the same..
Late 67 with the side upper remote release yes are a bit different..
The extra hook ramping IS mainly to help and allow the remote (side) release mechanism to slide back into the locking position smoothly..
Cant say that they will or wont still latch.. and interchange..
Maybe Ill try it..
It definitely appears the seats in question allllll the way at the top pics are indeed late 1967 bottoms...
So now you REALLY know what to look for.. late 67 seat backs...
Good luck with that..
You could still sacrifice the right high backs and use 65-67 seat back springs.. just more to think about..
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I think one is the brake and the other is fuel. The bug came like that, haven't really checked it out |
the fuel line should be inside the tunnel, much safer in a big crash. the lines need be secured properly too.
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