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jlinares Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2018 Posts: 71 Location: Distrito Capital de Bogotá
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:02 am Post subject: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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Hello,
I own a 1966 red VW Beettle with chassis number: 116998902 that I want to get as it was just bought from the fabric. After some research, I found out that the beettles launched this year with this chassis number, the red version had platinum grid cloth and 86 platinum leatherette while mine is red and has black grid cloth and black leatherette. It also has black board buttons (lights and windshield wipers) which in original pictures I see white. I also found out that beneath the windshield wipers tank, there is a plaque that indicates the color of the car. In my beetle, this plaque is lost. I want to know if this car has been modified or if this was some kind of special edition with black leatherette and black cloth. Thank you so much.
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33991 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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Looks like many that have been modified by POs over the years. Repainted (that cover behind the spare was black originally, plus overspray on washer bottle). Is your VIN tag missing, or was it painted over?
Door cards and seat covers have probably been replaced.
I believe '66s had the black steering column but white dash buttons originally. Since you have some white and some black dash buttons, those black ones are probably substitutions. If it was converted the 12V, maybe they used a '67 wiper switch to have 2-speed wipers, and so they changed the headlight switch to match?
Interesting that it lacks the dash-mounted ignition switch (it's got the combo steering lock/ignition switch) and is missing the 4-way flasher knob, which was standard on USA '66 models. Maybe this was a Euro version? |
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bluebus86 Banned
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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Nice Bug, Welcome to Samba!
The Bug presented has some oddities for American market cars as stated in others reply. But from your id your not in America, so maybe it is a Mexican or Brazilian built car or a German car built for a non American market. The light and wiper switch knobs are from later year Bugs than the window crank and ashtray knobs from early year Bugs for American market, so you have a mix there, the knobs should match I kind of doubt it was built factory with mixed style knobs.
Can we get a peak at the overall exterior and engine bay of your Bug please? _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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RareAir Samba Member
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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The seat covers are the proper style for '66, as well as the 1966-only door panels (as previously pointed out.) Black was an interior color available for Ruby Red in '66. A U.S. version would most certainly have the hazard switch, but without the black rubber surround. Black steering wheel and column is correct for 1966, as is the black grab handle with black plastic base, but dash board knobs, window crank knobs, escutcheons, and seatback release knobs should be ivory. Given the steering lock and no hole for the ignition switch on the dash, and the lack of the emergency flasher switch, my money is on this being a non-US spec/delivery car.
Also, your windshield wiper arms and blade holders are not proper for 1966; someone swapped in later style. They should be a "silver" color, the same as the bumper brackets. The side view mirror is a later '68+ style. Mirrors for '66 were hinge pin mounted.
1966 is the first year for the center defrost vent under the windshield. Yours is missing the black plastic trim piece. One from a '66 or '67 will work.
Yours is certainly a 1966, but with some repainting and adding of non-'66 bits over the years. _________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
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jlinares Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2018 Posts: 71 Location: Distrito Capital de Bogotá
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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First of all, thank you all for helping me, it is awesome!
Your information has been of great help to me and has take me closer in restoring my bug as if it was original. I found out that the VIN tag was indeed painted and not lost and I found the car is made in Germany and I wanted to know how that changes things up. I'll post some pictures of the motor and of the outside to see if you can give me more hints about my beetle. I want to know if there is a way to know what color was it originally. Big parenthesis, I have noticed that to open the back door, to access the motor, the door gets stuck with the bumper; how can I fix this?
Thanks a lot for your help.
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jlinares Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2018 Posts: 71 Location: Distrito Capital de Bogotá
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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Thanks
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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As for your car being born in Germany, it is a lot easier to follow the authenticity. Belgian, Brazilian, Mexican, etc. built cars could vary a lot without the level of being able to trace originality as well as with German-born cars. It appears you are starting out with a very good 1966. _________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33991 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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I fixed the rear decklid interference problem by putting a wood 2x4 inside the bumper, wrapping it in a chain, wrapping the other side to a telephone pole. and popping it into gear long enough to get rolling, and pull it out. Not for the faint of heart, but it worked like a charm.
Try to find a place that has not been repainted. This might be under the back seat, down the "bermuda Triangle" areas in the front trunk down where your defroster hoses go, inside the fenders or elsewhere underneath where is was originally painted. maybe even under that round cover that is painted red... the didn't remove it to paint, so maybe the paint underneath is original? How about the underside of the dash... does it look repainted, or original quality?
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bluebus86 Banned
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:06 am Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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jlinares wrote: |
It would also be cool to know what do you think of this car, and would you do to it and what you wouldn't do to it.
Thank you again very much |
Hook up your crank case hose to the aircleaner! Besure to see link at end of this post on engine fires and safety wire! Get a U tube on the distributor vacum line else the vacuum can can fill with gasoline and ruin the diaphragm.
The engine appears pretty stock except for the 12 volt alternator, and replacement fuel pump.
Nice looking Bug.
Bug On! _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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jlinares Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2018 Posts: 71 Location: Distrito Capital de Bogotá
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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Does anyone know where can I buy the original blaupunkt stereo for 1966 bug? Also, I got in contact with VW and they told me some specifications about my car when was just released. They told me it was indeed ruby red and had white wall tires. The rim the didn't specify though, in cars like this, was the rim red or ivory or what color? |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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www.vwradios.com |
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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jlinares wrote: |
... original blaupunkt stereo for 1966 bug? |
Keep in mind the factory generally didn't install radios. That was left up to distributors and dealers in the destination countries. So the term "original" can be misleading.
Also, I don't know that any stereo radios were installed in '66. On USA models I've run cross, it was 95% AM only, and the 5% AM/FM radios were mono. There was an accessory rear speaker, but I think that wasn't stereo, it was just so those in the back could hear the radio. |
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pbenn Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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Other tips for deck lid/bumper clearance can be found on the samba, but basically, besides bending the bumper, you can washer the bumper out, elongate the mount holes in the bumper brackets, make sure the hinge 10 bolts are up in the brackets all the way, washer between the hinges and the brackets, and bump the U shaped brackets with a rubber hammer.
Also check to see the boomerang shaped spacer is present where the U brackets mount to the car with three 10 bolts going up. What does your gap look like under the back window, top of decklid? |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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jlinares wrote: |
Also, I got in contact with VW and they told me some specifications about my car when was just released. They told me it was indeed ruby red and had white wall tires. The rim the didn't specify though, in cars like this, was the rim red or ivory or what color? |
How on earth did you do this? Did you get a birth certificate from VW or another way ?
If your bumper is not stock- it may have been replaced with aftermarket brackets that are notoriously too short to allow decklid clearance. If your bumper is newer/cheaper or has grommets between the overriders and the blade- they are replacements.
On your rims- they would be two-tone white on black for the US market. See the gallery for stock '66 colors.
Here's an ad with some good 1966 model info: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2206058 _________________
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I wonder what the nut looks like.
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planenut Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:41 am Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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I noticed the ignition switch being on the column, instead of dash. Would that be a European version? That might explain any oddities. |
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jlinares Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2018 Posts: 71 Location: Distrito Capital de Bogotá
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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hitest wrote: |
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How on earth did you do this? Did you get a birth certificate from VW or another way ? |
I sent my VIN number to [email protected] and replied the message telling me the following specifications of what my car was just when produced:
Model: VW 1300 - Export Model (LHD)
Motor factory: "F" - 1.3 liter, 29 kW / 40 hp
Color Body / roof
Factory "ruby" / "ruby"
Interior Color
Factory Upholstery: artificial leather in "platinum"
Flooring: "lava"
Steering wheel: "gray black"
more facilities
Factory ausstellbare rear side windows
Whitewall tires instead of standard tires
Production: 21/06/1966
Delivery: 07/06/1966 to Colombia |
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jlinares Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2018 Posts: 71 Location: Distrito Capital de Bogotá
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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planenut wrote: |
I noticed the ignition switch being on the column, instead of dash. Would that be a European version? That might explain any oddities. |
It is made in Germany. What are those oddities? |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9638 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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Factory ausstellbare rear side windows |
"ausstellbare" would be the German equivalent word for "pop out"
40hp is the DIN rating; the US market's SAE rating is 50hp.
Time warp: Car was delivered to Colombia 2 weeks before the production date. Even if the dates are reversed, 2 weeks on the ship to reach Colombia is very fast. Current modern auto cargo ships from Bremerhaven to the US east coast take approx. 10 days for other German brands. If VW's port of entry in Colombia was on the Caribbean coast so that the ship back then would not need to pass through the Panama Canal, then 2 weeks is feasible but still surprisingly quick. If the Beetle was built in VW's Emden plant which is likely, then it would've shipped out from that port right in the same city. |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Is my 1966 VW Beetle Original? |
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Where is your hazard light switch. i believe that all 66 bugs had a hazard button. it should be mounted on the bottom left near the ash tray. |
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