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Harris
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 Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:26 pm Post subject: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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Had to remove a '62 deck lid and found this separation at the top. I'm thinking JB weld will help. This is a a high stress point at the spring area. Do you think the JB will hold? I'm sure other older cars have the same thing. the area clamps down well with vice grips.
Ok pushing the spring back on a second look I have over 1/2 " separation. Should I have it spot welded? Or is the JB Ok? The spot weld will result in painting on the lid???
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bugheadred
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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| I don't think that will work if you don't want to weld it maybe put 2 pop rivets in use a little paint to touch the heads up |
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Harris
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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| [email protected] wrote: |
| I don't think that will work if you don't want to weld it maybe put 2 pop rivets in use a little paint to touch the heads up |
Rivets. Had not thought of that. thanks. That is a clean way to do it. But that will show on the lid--right
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bugheadred
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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| make sure you get steel rivets put them in from the outside so the head is on the outside I think they will hold and you wont have to burn your paint |
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Harris
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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| OK I see what your suggesting. The rivet is on the lip of the lid and not the hood itself so you have really nothing showing. That just may work. |
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Harris
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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| Thanks guys. As always your suggestions are good. I've been at this hobby for over 40 years and you young guys come up with really good solutions. If your older the solutions are still good. Always good to check the Samba to be safe. |
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bluebus86
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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the JB weld will not hold is my thinking and it would make any future attempt at welding difficult as it would have to be removed first. go for the steel rivets that is a very good idea. make sure you select the correct length rivets. if you ever do get it welded, the rivets can be removed easily and the holes welded up and ground smooth.
mine tore also a bit worse than yours, I removed the spring for now. kind of a pain having to use a prop to hold up the lid.
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stanovich
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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| see if you can pick up some saber screws they are used in the air conditioning industry are short and self tap quick and cheep 10cents each. you can pull them out and rivet or weld later |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:51 am Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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Find a muffler repair shop in your area and they should be able to weld it back together.
Even better is you buying a good quality gas wire feed welder and learning how to weld. Not that hard, and so handy down the road!
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:57 am Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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Me - I'd try the steel rivets; I don't weld either.
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| Even better is you buying a good quality gas wire feed welder and learning how to weld. Not that hard, and so handy down the road! |
Have a brand/model number you'd recommend to a beginner-welder?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:00 am Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| Find a muffler repair shop in your area and they should be able to weld it back together. |
x2. Forget epoxy, get it welded for real.
I had a local welder fix my 62's original decklid many years ago, he did a very good job.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:40 am Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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I had the same thing happen with my lid. Take is by you local body shop, and have them zap a couple of spot welds on it. Works like a charm. 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:43 am Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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JB weld would never hold. Weld is the best bet, but try some heavier pop rivets if you choose not to get it welded. I am not sure pop rivets would be a permanent solution with all the stress from the spring though.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:13 am Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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Find a small local body shop and have it spot welded. If you're going to have to touch up the paint anyway do it to look as factory as possible. Even consider picking up a spot welder from harbor freight when they have their bi-weekly parking lot sales and do it yourself and now you have the welder for future jobs.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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| pondoras box wrote: |
| Find a small local body shop and have it spot welded. If you're going to have to touch up the paint anyway do it to look as factory as possible. Even consider picking up a spot welder from harbor freight when they have their bi-weekly parking lot sales and do it yourself and now you have the welder for future jobs. |
some of the bargin mig welders are more trouble than what they are worth. consider a quality one used.
the Hobart Handler is a nice portable unit. gas for sure, the flux wire sucks.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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We have a Hobart Handler and it is a good one. Better ones would be Lincoln or Miller.
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Harris
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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I'm going in tomorrow afternoon to a well respected body shop here for them to look at the lid. They have helped me on great single stage painting in the past. I ask for spot welding. They do that. We will be looking at the lip on the top of the lid. I have less than 7/16" room on the side that will show with the lid closed. Will report back. Thanks guys for your help Hoping for 2 or 3 spot welds close to the spring plate
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:47 am Post subject: Re: JB Weld as a Fix on deck Lid |
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Counting four just in the first picture that will need to be welded back up, and it would not hut to add in two more just for a little extra strength.
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