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56reddy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: NOS Split rear fender w/o Dimples |
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I just received a"NOS" passenger rear fender for my split. It has the indention for the tail light, but has no dimples between the bolt holes.
Was there ever a split rear fender that was made without the dimples between the bolt holes? I will post pictures later to clarify.
Thanks in advance. _________________ New Vintage Specialist.
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like aftermarket. I don't think VW ever made non ribbed, (taillight) dimpled split fenders. JMO... _________________ John Henry
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: |
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I think someone posted recently about some similar fenders. The conclusion was that VW offered replacement fenders for splits into the 60's but since they had done away with the ribs between the mounting holes for current production, they had no ribs on the replacements. _________________ Chris
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
I think someone posted recently about some similar fenders. The conclusion was that VW offered replacement fenders for splits into the 60's but since they had done away with the ribs between the mounting holes for current production, they had no ribs on the replacements. |
That seems plausible also. Did any proof/evidence of that arise? I don't remember that being discussed... must have missed it. _________________ John Henry
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Lind Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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VW was making cars, not collectors items or museum pieces. they would be happy to sell you a '64 decklid for your '50, because it would fit on just fine. they made special conversion striker plates for buses so you could fit a pre-'64 cab door onto a '64-'67 bus. there is a huge body of evidence that VW did not care at all whatsoever about period correctness.
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johnshenry Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Lind wrote: |
..... there is a huge body of evidence that VW did not care at all whatsoever about period correctness.
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Not the least of which are the cars in their museum...... _________________ John Henry
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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I dunno about that. I've seen some recent pictures that indicate VW has been cleaning up its act. Hope to report on it firsthand in the future. |
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owdlvr Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Not the least of which are the cars in their museum...... |
Haven't been since I was 13 (about 15 years ago), so I can't say I caught the errors. I will, however, always be in awe of the fact that they simply left the 100,000,000 beetle sitting in a museum leaking oil with a drip tray below it.
Always struck me as odd that they wouldn't take the afternoon required to repair that...
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eurodub Samba Member
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i went to the museum when the kaffertreffen in wolfsburg was, and sadly the kommanderwagen and the kubel had metal trays under the engine to drip oil. the rometsch taxi had cracked bondo/paint all over it, lateral windows with heavily cracked rubber, but still very shiny paint. on one hand i liked the idea of having a car in the museum with small incorrect bits, in unrestored condition, but seeing oil leaks was not ok. another thing i was dissapointed of was that not all the cars were there, the prototypes, the 356, hebmuller, green splitwindow, D&S, cars that i surely would have liked to see. i myself was amazed that the cars were in not so good shape, and some of them had even mud on the tires.. _________________ 1960 1200 model 117 deluxe ragtop
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mbliss13 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Split rear fender w/o Dimples |
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I know this is a bit of an aged thread, but would like to add some perspective/ask some questions. I am in the process of disassembling my 1951 Standard Split in preparation for sending it to Jason Wrenn for metal work. At some point in the life of this car, there was a minor rear impact and it looks like that the fenders were replaced by what I am thinking are factory replacement fenders.
You can see in the photo that the fender has the dimple for the split taillight housing, it has the three drain holes on the bottom of the lower edge, but does not have a ribbed mount flange. The split taillight is also in the correct location.
Questions are:
1. Do you think this could be an example of a factory replacement split rear fender.
2. For a full resto, any thoughts on using these fenders in lieu of either modifying oval fenders or finding ribbed split fenders? (I am inclined to use these as they fit perfectly and are part of the cars overall history)
Any thoughts or input would be appreciated!
-Mike
_________________ 1951 Standard Beetle (German Delivery)
1954 Beetle, L275 Light Beige Survivor
1960 Beetle Convertible, L41 Black
1962 Beetle, L87 Pearl White with Judson/1200 power
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FRK Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Split rear fender w/o Dimples |
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mbliss13 wrote: |
I know this is a bit of an aged thread, but would like to add some perspective/ask some questions. I am in the process of disassembling my 1951 Standard Split in preparation for sending it to Jason Wrenn for metal work. At some point in the life of this car, there was a minor rear impact and it looks like that the fenders were replaced by what I am thinking are factory replacement fenders.
You can see in the photo that the fender has the dimple for the split taillight housing, it has the three drain holes on the bottom of the lower edge, but does not have a ribbed mount flange. The split taillight is also in the correct location.
Questions are:
1. Do you think this could be an example of a factory replacement split rear fender.
2. For a full resto, any thoughts on using these fenders in lieu of either modifying oval fenders or finding ribbed split fenders? (I am inclined to use these as they fit perfectly and are part of the cars overall history)
Any thoughts or input would be appreciated!
-Mike
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I don't know much about them but I think they are factory replacement fenders.
I would use those since they are part of the split history. _________________ 64 Ghia
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Teeroy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Split rear fender w/o Dimples |
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Use them, but add the ribs to the flanges. Have seen them listed in the classifieds, easy mod for Jason to do _________________ Pres. Rivercity VW Club www.rcvwclub.org
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:26 am Post subject: Re: NOS Split rear fender w/o Dimples |
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Teeroy wrote: |
Use them, but add the ribs to the flanges. Have seen them listed in the classifieds, easy mod for Jason to do |
That will involve cutting off the existing flange and welding the new one on. Maybe easy for Jason to do but will cost quite a bit for his labor.
I would use them as is. They are original VW parts and as others have said, are part of the car's history. _________________ Chris
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vintage fiberglass Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:47 am Post subject: Re: NOS Split rear fender w/o Dimples |
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I have seen some very early heavy rear fenders with no extra holes and no ribs? I think there was a guy in Hawaii that had a few NOS sets (now gone) and even fronts that were very old and yet odd, dealership replacements. On the same token, I had seen some early black primer Italian repro fenders with indents between the bolt holes that look real good but have the over rider bumper holes and no dimples. Wish I still had some of them. |
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empiracer Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:55 am Post subject: Re: NOS Split rear fender w/o Dimples |
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Seems appropriate to post this photo from this last weekend at Hessisch Oldendorf
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mbliss13 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: NOS Split rear fender w/o Dimples |
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Thanks everyone for all of your replies! Empiracer that is a cool shot and thanks for sharing! I am noticing that the mount flanges are one constant dimension in your picture (without the ribs), whereas mine has the mount flanges that vary in length...perhaps they are both OEM, but manufactured at different times??
I will also measure the thickness of the metal for my fender and report back.
Based on the replies so far from everyone, I think I am leaning to use as is.....while it won't be 100% correct, I think it is cool to keep the car's history intact via the parts on the car.
-Mike _________________ 1951 Standard Beetle (German Delivery)
1954 Beetle, L275 Light Beige Survivor
1960 Beetle Convertible, L41 Black
1962 Beetle, L87 Pearl White with Judson/1200 power
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